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> Most of this post is just speculation like "I seriously doubt it will work well in an average cafe though" Meh. I don't think that's his main point. The two

> Most of this post is just speculation like "I seriously doubt it will work well in an average cafe though" Meh. I don't think that's his main point. The two advantages of vscode he points out are: - browsers, and by extension Electron, are the best funded cross-platform GUI - vscode offloads language support to compilers (or other third-party tools) via LSP (Language Server Protocol) Electron apps are... slow craps. But it seems to be a problem of implementation, as vscode is slick and fast. In my own anecdotic experience, faster than IDEA. As for LSP, you don't care how it works, since it works now. But will it support as many languages as vscode in the future? Sure, that's speculation, but he gives a sound argument: it offloads the burden of maintaining the language integration to the community at large (or even to the language team itself). By creating a LSP server, you add support for vscode, vim, emacs, or even... Intellij. Hard to pass. LSP support on Intellij is a community plugin, far from first-class experience. And if it does become first-class, why then would people choose it over vscode? If both are LSP based, vscode is faster, free, and extensible in the most widely used language. And here's something less speculative, editor usage from stackoverflow surveys: - 2017[0] -> vscode 24.0% intellij 23% - 2018[1] -> vscode 34.9% intellij 24.9% - 2019[2] -> vscode 50.7% intellij 25.4% Disclaimer: I don't think LSP is great, yet. Most of the servers are still rough around the edges, but as an emacs user, I have big hopes for them. [0] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-_-most-popular-developer-environments-by-occupation https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2017#technology-_-... [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#development-environments-and-tools https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2018#development-e... [2] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-environments-and-tools https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-e...

arcturus17 6y ago
It's important to note that IntelliJ is not Jetbrains' only product. PyCharm has seen a very significant growth during this period too (7.7% -> 13.4%), although PHPStorm has decreased (11.6% -> 7.6%). Regardless, I find it remarkable that IntelliJ hasn't lost an inch of ground (it's even made modest gains) despite VSCode's explosion.
- tharkun__ 6y ago
  And you also have to see that they're just special purpuse branded IntelliJs that you can buy for less money. We have had licenses for WebStorm, PyCharm and IntelliJ Ultimate depending on what the Dev in question was doing in his job. So some of that market share/use is hidden.
matsemann 6y ago
Why is it an advantage being Electron? If anything, IDEA is also cross-platform. As for speed, VSC is faster as a text editor, but not that much faster for IDE stuff if you try to use it as that. Even slower some times, maybe LSP incurs some overhead IntelliJ don't have to do. While I get the point of LSP, as I wrote in another comment an IDE is much more than understanding the AST of the language and providing autocomplete. I don't get your point about usage. What is it supposed to show? Even though VsCode is growing fast, JetBrains products are also growing and thus has a merit to them?
- monsieurbanana 6y ago
  Usage is important, has all editors live and die by their community. Intellij is less dependant on them, as they develop their most important features themselves, but third-party plug-ins are still mandatory nowadays. That's my take, anyways. I'm biased as I personally wouldn't use Intellij if not for the community that made Emacs mode plugins for it. I also tend to costumize more than your average programmer. But tooling becomes broader and more complex year after year (too complex, maybe), so I don't see in the futur any company being self sustained on that front.

arcturus17 6y ago

It's important to note that IntelliJ is not Jetbrains' only product. PyCharm has seen a very significant growth during this period too (7.7% -> 13.4%), although PHPStorm has decreased (11.6% -> 7.6%). Regardless, I find it remarkable that IntelliJ hasn't lost an inch of ground (it's even made modest gains) despite VSCode's explosion.

tharkun__ 6y ago
And you also have to see that they're just special purpuse branded IntelliJs that you can buy for less money. We have had licenses for WebStorm, PyCharm and IntelliJ Ultimate depending on what the Dev in question was doing in his job. So some of that market share/use is hidden.

matsemann 6y ago

Why is it an advantage being Electron? If anything, IDEA is also cross-platform. As for speed, VSC is faster as a text editor, but not that much faster for IDE stuff if you try to use it as that. Even slower some times, maybe LSP incurs some overhead IntelliJ don't have to do. While I get the point of LSP, as I wrote in another comment an IDE is much more than understanding the AST of the language and providing autocomplete. I don't get your point about usage. What is it supposed to show? Even though VsCode is growing fast, JetBrains products are also growing and thus has a merit to them?

monsieurbanana 6y ago
Usage is important, has all editors live and die by their community. Intellij is less dependant on them, as they develop their most important features themselves, but third-party plug-ins are still mandatory nowadays. That's my take, anyways. I'm biased as I personally wouldn't use Intellij if not for the community that made Emacs mode plugins for it. I also tend to costumize more than your average programmer. But tooling becomes broader and more complex year after year (too complex, maybe), so I don't see in the futur any company being self sustained on that front.