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> why the downvotes, HN? Your honest account seems more like a series of errors you've invited on yourself. Your motherboard prices are insane. And this litany

> why the downvotes, HN? Your honest account seems more like a series of errors you've invited on yourself. Your motherboard prices are insane. And this litany of spontaneously breaking components make you sound like you're just yeeting the stuff around. Maybe that's all unfair, but it's how it comes across. Now you're comparing the prices of the i9-10900 to the 5900X, when the 5800X's performance more than matches it. The 5800X is about 10% cheaper than the 10900 here. If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service or even buy a bundle. There are lots of component sellers flogging matched components in tested configurations. You won't get top-spec motherboards but there's no reason to spunk €300 on a desktop motherboard.

rglullis 6y ago
> If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service Like I actually did, I have been doing since I can't even remember to build previous workstations, NAS, the dappnode under my desk, and my home server that runs the services I self-host? - Ryzen upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dxx2nL - Intel upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rP8jCz Looking around now, it seems that MSI X570 is available at a lower price, but it wasn't when I first checked. So, yeah, bad timing. But this patronizing is unwarranted. > The 5800X is about 10% cheaper than the 10900 here. In Germany it's about 15% more expensive, and my calculation was based on price-per-core than absolute performance, not to mention that the 10900 has a 65W TDP vs 105W for the Ryzens.
- mastax 6y ago
  That motherboard supports BIOS flashback so you didn't need a CPU installed to update the BIOS. You're technically supposed to buy memory from the motherboard's QVL for exactly that reason, but I don't know anyone who does that anymore.
- NathanielK 6y ago
  >Not to mention that the 10900 has a 65W TDP vs 105W for the Ryzens. TDP is lie these days .The 65W intel chips will use over 200W in most motherboards.[1] The 10 core you're using will use even more. The 5900X would use 130W max. Watch your temps, your passive thermal solution may not be up to the task and your CPUs may be throttling or dying prematurely. [1] https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16343/120661.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16343/120661.png
  - rglullis 6y ago
    Now that is a comment that brings a productive discussion. Thank you. :) I was indeed weary of keeping only the fanless cooler, so I ended up installing the stock one. Coupled with the fact that it is a big case and it has a lot of fans, I assume that would be enough. Anyway, what you are saying about the misleading TDP is interesting. Perhaps I will get a 3900X or a 5800X system and if it works out I will return the Intel.

rglullis 6y ago

> If you don't understand the platform and chipsets, use a picker service Like I actually did, I have been doing since I can't even remember to build previous workstations, NAS, the dappnode under my desk, and my home server that runs the services I self-host? - Ryzen upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dxx2nL - Intel upgrade: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rP8jCz Looking around now, it seems that MSI X570 is available at a lower price, but it wasn't when I first checked. So, yeah, bad timing. But this patronizing is unwarranted. > The 5800X is about 10% cheaper than the 10900 here. In Germany it's about 15% more expensive, and my calculation was based on price-per-core than absolute performance, not to mention that the 10900 has a 65W TDP vs 105W for the Ryzens.

mastax 6y ago
That motherboard supports BIOS flashback so you didn't need a CPU installed to update the BIOS. You're technically supposed to buy memory from the motherboard's QVL for exactly that reason, but I don't know anyone who does that anymore.
NathanielK 6y ago
>Not to mention that the 10900 has a 65W TDP vs 105W for the Ryzens. TDP is lie these days .The 65W intel chips will use over 200W in most motherboards.[1] The 10 core you're using will use even more. The 5900X would use 130W max. Watch your temps, your passive thermal solution may not be up to the task and your CPUs may be throttling or dying prematurely. [1] https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16343/120661.png https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph16343/120661.png
- rglullis 6y ago
  Now that is a comment that brings a productive discussion. Thank you. :) I was indeed weary of keeping only the fanless cooler, so I ended up installing the stock one. Coupled with the fact that it is a big case and it has a lot of fans, I assume that would be enough. Anyway, what you are saying about the misleading TDP is interesting. Perhaps I will get a 3900X or a 5800X system and if it works out I will return the Intel.