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I would like to see something like this but for media licenses. It would be nice to be able to keep an offline NFT library (of, for example, music) where the t

I would like to see something like this but for media licenses. It would be nice to be able to keep an offline NFT library (of, for example, music) where the tokens can be presented (with authentication) to streaming services like amazon or spotify in order to download a DRM-free copy of whatever media the NFT proves I own license to hold.

captn3m0 6y ago
Needless to say, like most crypto-ideas, this doesn't need NFT. A digital signature from the seller of the license would work just as well..
- vntok 6y ago
  Not really. What happens when the sellers pass away and someone has to check the chain of transmission ? Do you have to go to each spouse in order and ask them to retrieve "you know, a big file full of numbers" somewhere in the deceased's backup usb key? You need a public and immutable chain of authentified transactions for that to be an instant check.
- rossmohax 6y ago
  It does not, but agreeing where to keep register is a political problem. Why would register to be run by Sony and not Warner? With NFTs it is already there, held by forever neutral party, so it is easier for all market players to recognize it.
  - notahacker 6y ago
    Not really. The rightsholder determines whether they want to maintain the rights database for their songs themselves or delegate it to one or more distributors to do it. This is a solved problem and the intermediaries provide value to the rightsholder in marketing, managing more complex license types (performance, radio airplay, use in film) and pestering copyright violators
  - pavel_lishin 6y ago
    > it is easier for all market players to recognize it. What advantage do they have for doing so?
- shuntress 6y ago
  I agree. I should have emphasized "something LIKE this". I don't think any blockchain bullshit necessarily needs to be involved. I would like to be receive some kind of cryptographically secure token from Bandcamp (or whomever) that is secure enough to be accepted as proof of purchase by content distributors. This could make it feasible for places like spotify or google play music to sell "Bring Your Own Album" streaming service priced by operational costs rather than licensing fees. Or for Amazon Music to sell "Replace your library" as a giant bulk download when your offline music library is accidentally destroyed but your carved-in-stone hard copies of all your proof-of-purchase licenses tokens (that provably belong to you and only you) are still safe.
pavel_lishin 6y ago
How is this better than keeping a drive full of mp3s?
- shuntress 6y ago
  The tokens should be smaller and accessed less frequently. Potentially enough (in both aspects) to facilitate being backed up by printing out to some long-term hard copy like Base64 encoding on paper. Additionally, they could make it feasible for places like spotify or google play music to sell "Bring Your Own Album" streaming service priced by operational costs rather than licensing fees. Instead of accessing the content in their normal subscription, you can access anything for which you can present a valid license.
  - pavel_lishin 6y ago
    Smaller is a benefit, but you're still beholden to Spotify or some other service holding your music for you, and continuing to honor the agreement. Whether this agreement is stored as an NFT on the blockchain, or in Spotify's database doesn't matter, as long as they - or someone else! - can unilaterally yank that data out. And they can. As far as files go, I'm reminded of the Robert Heinlein quote - probably mangled, maybe apocryphal - that you don't truly own anything you can't carry in your arms at a dead run.
    - shuntress 6y ago
      The music does not belong to me. The cryptographically secure token proving I own license to duplicate the music is what belongs to me.
      - pavel_lishin 6y ago
        Ah. I like it when the things I pay for belong to me.
        shuntress 6y ago
PascLeRasc 6y ago
Good news, this has existed for years! It's called Bandcamp.com
- shuntress 6y ago
  Just checked some of my Bandcamp receipt emails. Not seeing anything that looks cryptographically secure. The "Download your purchase" and "Listen now in the Bandcamp app" links both have a "sig" option that appears to be some kind of thumbprint but they are not the same and are probably just related to tracking rather than the actual content.

captn3m0 6y ago

Needless to say, like most crypto-ideas, this doesn't need NFT. A digital signature from the seller of the license would work just as well..

vntok 6y ago
Not really. What happens when the sellers pass away and someone has to check the chain of transmission ? Do you have to go to each spouse in order and ask them to retrieve "you know, a big file full of numbers" somewhere in the deceased's backup usb key? You need a public and immutable chain of authentified transactions for that to be an instant check.
rossmohax 6y ago
It does not, but agreeing where to keep register is a political problem. Why would register to be run by Sony and not Warner? With NFTs it is already there, held by forever neutral party, so it is easier for all market players to recognize it.
- notahacker 6y ago
  Not really. The rightsholder determines whether they want to maintain the rights database for their songs themselves or delegate it to one or more distributors to do it. This is a solved problem and the intermediaries provide value to the rightsholder in marketing, managing more complex license types (performance, radio airplay, use in film) and pestering copyright violators
- pavel_lishin 6y ago
  > it is easier for all market players to recognize it. What advantage do they have for doing so?
shuntress 6y ago
I agree. I should have emphasized "something LIKE this". I don't think any blockchain bullshit necessarily needs to be involved. I would like to be receive some kind of cryptographically secure token from Bandcamp (or whomever) that is secure enough to be accepted as proof of purchase by content distributors. This could make it feasible for places like spotify or google play music to sell "Bring Your Own Album" streaming service priced by operational costs rather than licensing fees. Or for Amazon Music to sell "Replace your library" as a giant bulk download when your offline music library is accidentally destroyed but your carved-in-stone hard copies of all your proof-of-purchase licenses tokens (that provably belong to you and only you) are still safe.

pavel_lishin 6y ago

How is this better than keeping a drive full of mp3s?

shuntress 6y ago
The tokens should be smaller and accessed less frequently. Potentially enough (in both aspects) to facilitate being backed up by printing out to some long-term hard copy like Base64 encoding on paper. Additionally, they could make it feasible for places like spotify or google play music to sell "Bring Your Own Album" streaming service priced by operational costs rather than licensing fees. Instead of accessing the content in their normal subscription, you can access anything for which you can present a valid license.
- pavel_lishin 6y ago
  Smaller is a benefit, but you're still beholden to Spotify or some other service holding your music for you, and continuing to honor the agreement. Whether this agreement is stored as an NFT on the blockchain, or in Spotify's database doesn't matter, as long as they - or someone else! - can unilaterally yank that data out. And they can. As far as files go, I'm reminded of the Robert Heinlein quote - probably mangled, maybe apocryphal - that you don't truly own anything you can't carry in your arms at a dead run.
  - shuntress 6y ago
    The music does not belong to me. The cryptographically secure token proving I own license to duplicate the music is what belongs to me.
    - pavel_lishin 6y ago
      Ah. I like it when the things I pay for belong to me.
      - shuntress 6y ago

PascLeRasc 6y ago

Good news, this has existed for years! It's called Bandcamp.com

shuntress 6y ago
Just checked some of my Bandcamp receipt emails. Not seeing anything that looks cryptographically secure. The "Download your purchase" and "Listen now in the Bandcamp app" links both have a "sig" option that appears to be some kind of thumbprint but they are not the same and are probably just related to tracking rather than the actual content.