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My experience (off and on-work) with Accenture was horrible. A small anecdote (out of many): I visited a good friend of mine, a true math and programming geni

My experience (off and on-work) with Accenture was horrible. A small anecdote (out of many): I visited a good friend of mine, a true math and programming genius, who was in the middle of his PhD at the ETHZ. An acquaintance of my friend started to tell bullshit stories about his "heroic" job at Accenture. An untalented money whore if I ever saw one. If you know nothing and have the moral integrity of a human trafficker, it looks like you end up in consulting @ Accenture. Buzzwords. Check. "Play the game or get lost" mantras. Check. "People making less than 100k are lazy bastards". Check. "All companies are rotting from within, our external consulting work is basically a gift of god". Check. Blah blah blah. He got a hard on from riling us up, the "naive idealists" we are. Get real, son.

swombat 15y ago
Any company with 100k+ people is going to have its share of idiots. I worked there for 4 years and, in my experience, this type of person was definitely a very small minority. I'd blame the person rather than the company for this kind of terribly flawed character.
- kitsune_ 15y ago
  I'd blame the person and not the company myself if it were not for a) Witnessing the havoc Accenture consulting unleashed upon a couple of businesses personally b) Knowing, albeit superficially, a load of people who currently work or had worked at Accenture. With the exception of one they're the poster jerks nobody likes.
  - swombat 15y ago
    Perhaps the culture is different in other countries. This was in Accenture UK. Edit: I hate to suggest it, but perhaps there's also a bit of a perceptive bias going on, in both directions. I look for the good in people, and I found plenty of awesome people in Accenture. If you expect Accenture people to be arrogant idiots, probably every Accenture person you meet will look like just that.
    - gaius 15y ago
      Individual people I judge on their merits, same as anyone, but Accenture's involvement with the UK govt has been a disaster for everyone but them. What did they charge the NHS, and what did they deliver? Ripping off a healthcare provider is pretty low.
      - swombat 15y ago
        Accenture's involvement with the NHS was a major disaster for Accenture too. I can see why they went for it - it was the kind of huge contract that a company like Accenture can't resist - but unlike the other providers, they pulled out when they realised the whole thing was doomed (and took a very hefty financial penalty to do so). FYI, they cancelled one of the twice-yearly promotion points because of the NHS debacle (which resulted, iirc, in a $450m write-off by Accenture UK, and basically wiped out the profits for the year). That pissed off a lot of people and caused a lot of their best people to leave the company. So, yeah, they took a big hit!
        mbesto 15y ago
        > Accenture's involvement with the NHS was a major disaster for Accenture too. It still amazes me how many major disasters these large firms can absorb. A 450mil write-off would cripple most businesses. Not picking at Accenture specifically but I've seen Cap, IBM, etc all get doused by law suits and/or write-offs that are absolutely massive.
        gaius 15y ago
        I would very much like to see a windfall tax on all those companies, to claw back what the last government wasted on them.
        andycroll 15y ago
        I actually read the contracts whilst in a non-programming role. There was about 6 inches of paper, all of it utterly terrifying and mostly contradictory. The NHS deal had so many things wrong with it. When Accenture finally caved and gave up, the share price increased significantly.
- mbesto 15y ago
  Agreed that any company is going to have it's share of idiots, but isn't it the principle job of a company like Accenture to hire competent people? Their business model is to lease out intellectual talent so their principle job is to create talent. I, like most people commenting here, have worked with a lot of bad Accenture people and am shocked when I do actually meet a good one. Yes, they do exist, but most good people don't stay long (much like yourself) because they realize opportunities outside of Accenture are much more lucrative. Also, their model is fairly obvious now (like other big 4) - huge margins on Jr Consultants that are lead by competent seniors. When the senior people are incompetent and the juniors are not fast learners then the whole model is broken and thus the assumption that "everyone is idiots".
  - quicksilver03 15y ago
    No, theyre only interested in hiring billable people. They're not interested in creating talent or nurturing competencies, they provide numbers (or better, warm bodies to fill the client's chairs) and often subcontract to smaller consultancies when truly competent people are needed on some project.
    - drtse4 15y ago
      The subcontracting thing alone should be enough to never have anything to do with a company that does it, but usually the clients don't even know/suspect. Edit: What about the downvotes? is subcontracting a good thing for the client (or for the small consultancies, that could become completely dependent on the contracts from the big players) or something that should be encouraged?
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hnhg 15y ago
His peers probably think the same thing of him. It's rare to come across someone like that, but unfortunately they are sometimes around.
mixmax 15y ago
I'm sorry but this isn't an anecdote it's a rant. The only hard quantifiable information in your post is that you've worked at Accenture and that you visited a friend who was in the middle of his PHD. The rest is just emotions and yelling at people you don't like. The fact that this is the top comment [1] on this story is quite frightening to me. It adds nothing to the conversation, and is an open invitation to an unsubstantiated but emotional argument about whether employees at large companies are all assholes that only care about money. Surely enough there's now a whole thread that doesn't add much to the conversation, and from which I've learned nothing. This is a prime example of the decline of HN. [1] Since we can't see points it's of course impossible for me to be certain whether this post has many upvotes, or whether it's at the top based on one of the other ranking parameters. (please let us have our points back!)
- drtse4 15y ago
  Example of the decline? What would have been more appropriate in your opinion?

swombat 15y ago

Any company with 100k+ people is going to have its share of idiots. I worked there for 4 years and, in my experience, this type of person was definitely a very small minority. I'd blame the person rather than the company for this kind of terribly flawed character.

kitsune_ 15y ago
I'd blame the person and not the company myself if it were not for a) Witnessing the havoc Accenture consulting unleashed upon a couple of businesses personally b) Knowing, albeit superficially, a load of people who currently work or had worked at Accenture. With the exception of one they're the poster jerks nobody likes.
- swombat 15y ago
  Perhaps the culture is different in other countries. This was in Accenture UK. Edit: I hate to suggest it, but perhaps there's also a bit of a perceptive bias going on, in both directions. I look for the good in people, and I found plenty of awesome people in Accenture. If you expect Accenture people to be arrogant idiots, probably every Accenture person you meet will look like just that.
  - gaius 15y ago
    Individual people I judge on their merits, same as anyone, but Accenture's involvement with the UK govt has been a disaster for everyone but them. What did they charge the NHS, and what did they deliver? Ripping off a healthcare provider is pretty low.
    - swombat 15y ago
      Accenture's involvement with the NHS was a major disaster for Accenture too. I can see why they went for it - it was the kind of huge contract that a company like Accenture can't resist - but unlike the other providers, they pulled out when they realised the whole thing was doomed (and took a very hefty financial penalty to do so). FYI, they cancelled one of the twice-yearly promotion points because of the NHS debacle (which resulted, iirc, in a $450m write-off by Accenture UK, and basically wiped out the profits for the year). That pissed off a lot of people and caused a lot of their best people to leave the company. So, yeah, they took a big hit!
      - mbesto 15y ago
        > Accenture's involvement with the NHS was a major disaster for Accenture too. It still amazes me how many major disasters these large firms can absorb. A 450mil write-off would cripple most businesses. Not picking at Accenture specifically but I've seen Cap, IBM, etc all get doused by law suits and/or write-offs that are absolutely massive.
        gaius 15y ago
        I would very much like to see a windfall tax on all those companies, to claw back what the last government wasted on them.
      - andycroll 15y ago
        I actually read the contracts whilst in a non-programming role. There was about 6 inches of paper, all of it utterly terrifying and mostly contradictory. The NHS deal had so many things wrong with it. When Accenture finally caved and gave up, the share price increased significantly.
mbesto 15y ago
Agreed that any company is going to have it's share of idiots, but isn't it the principle job of a company like Accenture to hire competent people? Their business model is to lease out intellectual talent so their principle job is to create talent. I, like most people commenting here, have worked with a lot of bad Accenture people and am shocked when I do actually meet a good one. Yes, they do exist, but most good people don't stay long (much like yourself) because they realize opportunities outside of Accenture are much more lucrative. Also, their model is fairly obvious now (like other big 4) - huge margins on Jr Consultants that are lead by competent seniors. When the senior people are incompetent and the juniors are not fast learners then the whole model is broken and thus the assumption that "everyone is idiots".
- quicksilver03 15y ago
  No, theyre only interested in hiring billable people. They're not interested in creating talent or nurturing competencies, they provide numbers (or better, warm bodies to fill the client's chairs) and often subcontract to smaller consultancies when truly competent people are needed on some project.
  - drtse4 15y ago
    The subcontracting thing alone should be enough to never have anything to do with a company that does it, but usually the clients don't even know/suspect. Edit: What about the downvotes? is subcontracting a good thing for the client (or for the small consultancies, that could become completely dependent on the contracts from the big players) or something that should be encouraged?
    - deleted 15y ago
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hnhg 15y ago

His peers probably think the same thing of him. It's rare to come across someone like that, but unfortunately they are sometimes around.

mixmax 15y ago

I'm sorry but this isn't an anecdote it's a rant. The only hard quantifiable information in your post is that you've worked at Accenture and that you visited a friend who was in the middle of his PHD. The rest is just emotions and yelling at people you don't like. The fact that this is the top comment [1] on this story is quite frightening to me. It adds nothing to the conversation, and is an open invitation to an unsubstantiated but emotional argument about whether employees at large companies are all assholes that only care about money. Surely enough there's now a whole thread that doesn't add much to the conversation, and from which I've learned nothing. This is a prime example of the decline of HN. [1] Since we can't see points it's of course impossible for me to be certain whether this post has many upvotes, or whether it's at the top based on one of the other ranking parameters. (please let us have our points back!)

drtse4 15y ago
Example of the decline? What would have been more appropriate in your opinion?