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Are you French ? We learn at school of all the unforgiveable sins we all committed, that the resistance was not the majority, how the police was the instrument

by xwolfi 6y ago

Are you French ? We learn at school of all the unforgiveable sins we all committed, that the resistance was not the majority, how the police was the instrument of Germany, how we as a people used the invaders to settle our different (how many many people sent letters of false denunciation to the police), how De Gaulle's white lie ("we won the war") was what restored our sanity to rebuild, trying to forget quickly and move on. We also explain the rationale followed by Petain and the context of it (he sacrificed our honor for the sake of mere survival, in his elder mind) and how this opened the door to enforcement militia ideologically in line with the Nazis, who are the ancestors of what is now LePen's party. Maybe not at 7, but by 18 if you listened in class, you got a pretty clear picture of the darkest aspect of it. And it's not just during WWII we behaved in shameful ways, it started with the country. I challenge you to find someone who paid attention in school and still glorify the revolution or Napoleon, or the Commune, or colonialism.

ves 6y ago
I’m curious: what’s the line taught against the commune?
southerntofu 6y ago
> Maybe not at 7, but by 18 if you listened in class Are you more than 30 (like me) by any chance? That's also the education i received growing up in france, but history schoolbooks have been criticized for rewriting history since at least Sarkozy. Also it appears the left-wing, critical history teachers from my youth are a threatened species, as these are slowly pushed to suicide by the administration and/or placed on administrative leave. At least it is my understanding that education and critical thought have been heavily under attack in France in the past decade, especially in public schools. At least that's what i understand from younger persons i meet and teachers i know who are still teaching in middle and high schools. For example, the Nakba has become a taboo in history classes, criticizing national symbols of the french colonial empire has become illegal, teachers have been instructed to denounce to the police their pupils who have questions about religious terrorism and racist caricatures, and mandatory national service has been almost reinstated already (only stopped by coronavirus). We have been on a strong rise to fascism for at least the past two decades, so of course they are rewriting history and making sure there is room for interpretation in collaborating with nazis. This is not just in schools though, Eric Zemmour and other public figures have ardently defended the memory of french fascism for years on public television.

by xwolfi 6y ago

ves 6y ago

I’m curious: what’s the line taught against the commune?

southerntofu 6y ago

> Maybe not at 7, but by 18 if you listened in class Are you more than 30 (like me) by any chance? That's also the education i received growing up in france, but history schoolbooks have been criticized for rewriting history since at least Sarkozy. Also it appears the left-wing, critical history teachers from my youth are a threatened species, as these are slowly pushed to suicide by the administration and/or placed on administrative leave. At least it is my understanding that education and critical thought have been heavily under attack in France in the past decade, especially in public schools. At least that's what i understand from younger persons i meet and teachers i know who are still teaching in middle and high schools. For example, the Nakba has become a taboo in history classes, criticizing national symbols of the french colonial empire has become illegal, teachers have been instructed to denounce to the police their pupils who have questions about religious terrorism and racist caricatures, and mandatory national service has been almost reinstated already (only stopped by coronavirus). We have been on a strong rise to fascism for at least the past two decades, so of course they are rewriting history and making sure there is room for interpretation in collaborating with nazis. This is not just in schools though, Eric Zemmour and other public figures have ardently defended the memory of french fascism for years on public television.