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>I'd prefer if you kept HN conversations civil even if you disagree with the person you're communicating with. Same, which is why I will continue to walk away

by desine 6y ago

>I'd prefer if you kept HN conversations civil even if you disagree with the person you're communicating with. Same, which is why I will continue to walk away from straw man arguments.

monocasa 6y ago
How else am I supposed to interpret your citation from a teacher that common core was intended to combat privilege, followed by your statement > Often the war on white privilege manifests itself as preventing white success rather than helping PoC. other than you intrinsically view common core as a zero sum strategy, that's taking from privileged students to as a strategy to relatively help less privileged students? Addressing your point head on isn't making a strawman argument, and doesn't make me a troll. Would you care to address my point, that your understanding of student success is wrong here, and that's the core of your misunderstanding, and they are in fact helping students across the privilege spectrum? Or will you just continue to call people who disagree with you trolls?
- desine 6y ago
  * It wasn't a teacher that said that, it was the creator of Common Core. Please, take the time to see the link in my first post. * I didn't say education was a zero sum game, I said that forcing this pedagogical style was harming successful students. * I don't even know how to address your arguments because you're inserting claims I did not make. Again you're saying I intrinsically view common core as a zero sum strategy? When I just want students to be able to learn in the method they understand, whether that is Common Core, or not. These are straw man arguments, you are the one who is not addressing my points. So yes, you are trolling, currently. And I call it out when I see it.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    > It wasn't a teacher that said that, it was the creator of Common Core. Please, take the time to see the link in my first post. That person _is_ a teacher in addition to creating common core. Common core was designed by teachers overall. The title of the video is literally "Teacher admits he helped write Common Core to end white privilege" > I didn't say education was a zero sum game, I said that forcing this pedagogical style was harming successful students ..to help non "successful" students. When someone says "we did this to help this subset" and you use that as proof that they're intending to harm another subset, that's the definition of a zero sum argument. You're also continuing to not address the root of my argument, falling back on name calling.

by desine 6y ago

>I'd prefer if you kept HN conversations civil even if you disagree with the person you're communicating with. Same, which is why I will continue to walk away from straw man arguments.

monocasa 6y ago

How else am I supposed to interpret your citation from a teacher that common core was intended to combat privilege, followed by your statement > Often the war on white privilege manifests itself as preventing white success rather than helping PoC. other than you intrinsically view common core as a zero sum strategy, that's taking from privileged students to as a strategy to relatively help less privileged students? Addressing your point head on isn't making a strawman argument, and doesn't make me a troll. Would you care to address my point, that your understanding of student success is wrong here, and that's the core of your misunderstanding, and they are in fact helping students across the privilege spectrum? Or will you just continue to call people who disagree with you trolls?

desine 6y ago
* It wasn't a teacher that said that, it was the creator of Common Core. Please, take the time to see the link in my first post. * I didn't say education was a zero sum game, I said that forcing this pedagogical style was harming successful students. * I don't even know how to address your arguments because you're inserting claims I did not make. Again you're saying I intrinsically view common core as a zero sum strategy? When I just want students to be able to learn in the method they understand, whether that is Common Core, or not. These are straw man arguments, you are the one who is not addressing my points. So yes, you are trolling, currently. And I call it out when I see it.
- monocasa 6y ago
  > It wasn't a teacher that said that, it was the creator of Common Core. Please, take the time to see the link in my first post. That person _is_ a teacher in addition to creating common core. Common core was designed by teachers overall. The title of the video is literally "Teacher admits he helped write Common Core to end white privilege" > I didn't say education was a zero sum game, I said that forcing this pedagogical style was harming successful students ..to help non "successful" students. When someone says "we did this to help this subset" and you use that as proof that they're intending to harm another subset, that's the definition of a zero sum argument. You're also continuing to not address the root of my argument, falling back on name calling.