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> You have changed the goalposts, because 1) "someone" is a much broader category than CEO, and 2) "an employee" is much narrower than "many employees, a board
by ketamine__ 6y ago
> You have changed the goalposts, because 1) "someone" is a much broader category than CEO, and 2) "an employee" is much narrower than "many employees, a board member, and external supporters."
Goalposts? Are we in a formal debate now?
Anyway, Brendan Eich is a person. And it doesn't matter how many employees object to him if they are in the wrong.
> I like the idea of due process
I'm not speaking from a legal standpoint. Are you willing to be terminated in a capricious way?
> You mean against their employment interest. He did help fund opposition to their personal interests.
No, I'm talking about the question of whether he discriminated against LGBT folks at Mozilla. He clearly didn't so your point is moot.
> Funny thing is, Eich is neither jobless nor homeless, and people still hear about him. Wikipedia summarizes his few on masks, for example, and his work on Brave regularly appears on HN.
Yes, many commenters on HN are unhappy he has any kind of job. That is my point. That they haven't been successful at his current gig isn't a cause for celebration, or in your case, indifference. But I actually think you might prefer him to not have a job.
> Multiple employees, and volunteers. And at least one board member.
What are you trying to prove? I don't get it.
> Certainly personal feelings are important. People are turned down all the time for a position because of "bad culture fit" or "rubs me wrong" or any number of personal reasons.
Yeah and usually that comes down to ageism and sexism.
> The fact and reality is that we are all emotional creatures. You cannot separate them.
We can use logic. There is hope.
- eesmith 6y ago"Moving the goalposts", like "attacking a straw man" and "derailing", is a well-known informal fallacy. As you desire that we all use logic, surely you agree that these concepts and terms should not be restricted to formal debate. What is your definition of "cancel"? Capricious termination is not uncommon. I don't think you regard all capricious termination due to "cancel"? How do we apply your guideline to distinguishing if a capricious firing is or is not due to "cancel"?