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> 272 days That's more than the number of days in a school year. She admitted she knew he was failing. He missed more than a full year of school. And now sh

by maxk42 6y ago

> 272 days That's more than the number of days in a school year. She admitted she knew he was failing. He missed more than a full year of school. And now she's trying to blame the school for it instead of taking responsibility for her own parenting. The clear fuck-up I see on the school's part is the school moving him on to the next year's classes when he's failed the previous year so thoroughly.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> The clear fuck-up I see on the school's part is the school moving him on to the next year's classes when he's failed the previous year so thoroughly. Can you 'fail' a year of school? Where I am school years are based on age. You can't fail to get older so you can't fail to get into the next year of school.
- ethanbond 6y ago
  You’re getting downvoted because this isn’t how US systems generally work in theory, but it’s a good point because this actually is how many of them work in practice. Schools are extremely loath to fail students because, well, parents flip.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    So if you're just very academically limited and have a ceiling to what you can achieve what do you do? Repeat one school year for the rest of your life? After how many attempts do they let you out so you can earn some money?
    - ethanbond 6y ago
      If you’re “academically limited” ie you have learning disorders, you have a different rubric and track through the system obviously.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        What is the plan if like this individual you just don't turn up or apply yourself? Are you never officially released from school? Are you truant for the rest of your life? Are you able to get a job or do you show up on background checks as being 'still at school'?
    - gruez 6y ago
      >After how many attempts do they let you out so you can earn some money? You have to be in school until you're 16 (age varies depending on state), so the number of attempts is entirely dependent on your grade. If you fail at 10th grade you can drop out right there.
    - maxk42 6y ago
      > So if you're just very academically limited and have a ceiling to what you can achieve what do you do? You can choose to keep applying yourself until you pass. Or, in the case of a student who doesn't apply themself or wish to continue with school they simply leave. Job opportunities will be limited to those which do not require an education, of course.
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Or, in the case of a student who doesn't apply themself or wish to continue with school they simply leave. But other people are talking about truancy laws? You can't simply leave if you're truant and can be arrested for it?
    - icedchai 6y ago
      It varies by state. Once you're 18 (or in some states, as young as 16) you can just drop out. In elementary school, back in the 80's, I remember kids being held back. I never saw that happen in higher grades.
      - maxk42 6y ago
        In all states there is a process for exiting school by or before the age of 16. And you're right: Societal pressures and funding tied to student failure rates caused many schools to abandon the traditional method of holding back students who were not ready to proceed to the next year's studies.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Can you 'fail' a year of school? Yes, as shown by the school in question deciding that he was actually still a ninth-grader after three years of social promotion. More critically, you can and should also not be promoted in a particular subject when you fall the prerequisite, whether or not you are promoted in overall grade, which for some reason didn't happen here, either.

by maxk42 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago

> The clear fuck-up I see on the school's part is the school moving him on to the next year's classes when he's failed the previous year so thoroughly. Can you 'fail' a year of school? Where I am school years are based on age. You can't fail to get older so you can't fail to get into the next year of school.

ethanbond 6y ago
You’re getting downvoted because this isn’t how US systems generally work in theory, but it’s a good point because this actually is how many of them work in practice. Schools are extremely loath to fail students because, well, parents flip.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  So if you're just very academically limited and have a ceiling to what you can achieve what do you do? Repeat one school year for the rest of your life? After how many attempts do they let you out so you can earn some money?
  - ethanbond 6y ago
    If you’re “academically limited” ie you have learning disorders, you have a different rubric and track through the system obviously.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      What is the plan if like this individual you just don't turn up or apply yourself? Are you never officially released from school? Are you truant for the rest of your life? Are you able to get a job or do you show up on background checks as being 'still at school'?
  - gruez 6y ago
    >After how many attempts do they let you out so you can earn some money? You have to be in school until you're 16 (age varies depending on state), so the number of attempts is entirely dependent on your grade. If you fail at 10th grade you can drop out right there.
  - maxk42 6y ago
    > So if you're just very academically limited and have a ceiling to what you can achieve what do you do? You can choose to keep applying yourself until you pass. Or, in the case of a student who doesn't apply themself or wish to continue with school they simply leave. Job opportunities will be limited to those which do not require an education, of course.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      > Or, in the case of a student who doesn't apply themself or wish to continue with school they simply leave. But other people are talking about truancy laws? You can't simply leave if you're truant and can be arrested for it?
  - icedchai 6y ago
    It varies by state. Once you're 18 (or in some states, as young as 16) you can just drop out. In elementary school, back in the 80's, I remember kids being held back. I never saw that happen in higher grades.
    - maxk42 6y ago
      In all states there is a process for exiting school by or before the age of 16. And you're right: Societal pressures and funding tied to student failure rates caused many schools to abandon the traditional method of holding back students who were not ready to proceed to the next year's studies.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Can you 'fail' a year of school? Yes, as shown by the school in question deciding that he was actually still a ninth-grader after three years of social promotion. More critically, you can and should also not be promoted in a particular subject when you fall the prerequisite, whether or not you are promoted in overall grade, which for some reason didn't happen here, either.