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RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel

by jpgvm 6y ago

RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.

oumua_don17 6y ago
>> land soon Not soon but yesterday
- redisman 6y ago
  The next big desktop release will be whatever comes with the new AM5 socket so they have some time to get their act together. I don’t have high hopes that they can actually compete and now Apple also leapfrogged them with non-desktop chips
rglullis 6y ago
Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I started working more in different offices, so I needed a more powerful laptop. No strong offering from AMD yet, so I ended up with a System76 core i7, 6-core 32GB RAM. 2020 came and with it I got back into working at home. So I got excited about upgrading my workstation. I bought all the components to get a Ryzen 5, a 3700X I think. What a shitshow: had to go through three different pairs of RAM to find one that was actually compatible with the motherboard. Then I had to find a way to upgrade the BIOS, and I could only do it by getting an Athlon CPU. BIOS upgraded, then the original 3700 died. I ended up turning the whole system into a very expensive media center just with the Athlon and continued working with the laptop. A couple of weeks ago my laptop's battery puffed up, so I decided to go look again into a nice desktop. An 12-core Ryzen 5900X is coming out at 900€ and a basic motherboard is 300€. 10-core Intel i9-10900 is 300€ and a motherboard for it is 180€. Guess which one I ended up taking and that I managed to get running without any issue whatsoever? Here is to hope that in 6-8 years from now I finally manage to make the switch to AMD. (Edit: why the downvotes, HN? It's an honest account of my experience.)
- outworlder 6y ago
  What an odd experience. I haven't heard of anyone having similar experiences with Ryzen, including myself. Maybe you got some unusually finicky motherboard?
  - rglullis 6y ago
    It's a mini-ITX Gigabyte B450, the Aorus line. From what I found online, there were plenty of cases of incompatible RAM that would simply not boot. The "odd" thing is that this Intel system I put together ended up being the very same brand. I am regretting it now a bit because I realized that the board can only do 4k@30Hz through the HDMI port and the i9 can do 4k@60, but given that my laptop had a similar limitation and I got used to run with my monitor at 1440p, I think I will hold on to it until I feel like it is time to get a dedicated GPU.
    - cranium 6y ago
      The difference may be due to the version of the HDMI port: HDMI 1.4 can only do 4k@30Hz while HDMI 2.0 can do 4k@60Hz.
      - rglullis 6y ago
        Yeah, that is exactly the problem. I'm wondering now if there is any way I can jerry-rig one of the USB 3.2 ports from the mobo to get 4k@60hz to my monitor, but like I said I am ok with staying at 1440 until prices of graphic cards come down.
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- Nursie 6y ago
  > a basic motherboard is 300€ A 'basic' motherboard two weeks ago was the same as it is today, a low-end B550, and can be purchased for under 100€. The 10900 trades blows with the 3900x, particularly for multi-threaded, workstation-type workloads where the AMD part pulls ahead with its two extra cores. And the 3900x can be had around the same price as a 10900. So your "honest account" comes off as a little disingenuous, which may explain the downvotes. (Yes, the high-end Zen 3 parts are pricey and have very limited availability right now, but that is afflicting the entire industry - see also consoles, graphics cards and many other things. With their own fabs, intel are uniquely placed to supply right now, but their CPUs are more competing with the last gen of AMD's if you're talking about a workstation)
lrem 6y ago
TBF, I still haven't seen enough to convince me to upgrade my desktop from 4690K (which got an RTX2080 in the meantime). Standing plan is to wait for RTX4090 or AMD's equivalent and change the whole box then.
- chris11 6y ago
  I still have a 4770k. I have a newer gpu, and it seems to be working ok for me. I'm planning on upgrading in 2022 when DDR5 is available.

by jpgvm 6y ago

oumua_don17 6y ago

>> land soon Not soon but yesterday

redisman 6y ago
The next big desktop release will be whatever comes with the new AM5 socket so they have some time to get their act together. I don’t have high hopes that they can actually compete and now Apple also leapfrogged them with non-desktop chips

rglullis 6y ago

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I started working more in different offices, so I needed a more powerful laptop. No strong offering from AMD yet, so I ended up with a System76 core i7, 6-core 32GB RAM. 2020 came and with it I got back into working at home. So I got excited about upgrading my workstation. I bought all the components to get a Ryzen 5, a 3700X I think. What a shitshow: had to go through three different pairs of RAM to find one that was actually compatible with the motherboard. Then I had to find a way to upgrade the BIOS, and I could only do it by getting an Athlon CPU. BIOS upgraded, then the original 3700 died. I ended up turning the whole system into a very expensive media center just with the Athlon and continued working with the laptop. A couple of weeks ago my laptop's battery puffed up, so I decided to go look again into a nice desktop. An 12-core Ryzen 5900X is coming out at 900€ and a basic motherboard is 300€. 10-core Intel i9-10900 is 300€ and a motherboard for it is 180€. Guess which one I ended up taking and that I managed to get running without any issue whatsoever? Here is to hope that in 6-8 years from now I finally manage to make the switch to AMD. (Edit: why the downvotes, HN? It's an honest account of my experience.)

outworlder 6y ago
What an odd experience. I haven't heard of anyone having similar experiences with Ryzen, including myself. Maybe you got some unusually finicky motherboard?
- rglullis 6y ago
  It's a mini-ITX Gigabyte B450, the Aorus line. From what I found online, there were plenty of cases of incompatible RAM that would simply not boot. The "odd" thing is that this Intel system I put together ended up being the very same brand. I am regretting it now a bit because I realized that the board can only do 4k@30Hz through the HDMI port and the i9 can do 4k@60, but given that my laptop had a similar limitation and I got used to run with my monitor at 1440p, I think I will hold on to it until I feel like it is time to get a dedicated GPU.
  - cranium 6y ago
    The difference may be due to the version of the HDMI port: HDMI 1.4 can only do 4k@30Hz while HDMI 2.0 can do 4k@60Hz.
    - rglullis 6y ago
      Yeah, that is exactly the problem. I'm wondering now if there is any way I can jerry-rig one of the USB 3.2 ports from the mobo to get 4k@60hz to my monitor, but like I said I am ok with staying at 1440 until prices of graphic cards come down.
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Nursie 6y ago
> a basic motherboard is 300€ A 'basic' motherboard two weeks ago was the same as it is today, a low-end B550, and can be purchased for under 100€. The 10900 trades blows with the 3900x, particularly for multi-threaded, workstation-type workloads where the AMD part pulls ahead with its two extra cores. And the 3900x can be had around the same price as a 10900. So your "honest account" comes off as a little disingenuous, which may explain the downvotes. (Yes, the high-end Zen 3 parts are pricey and have very limited availability right now, but that is afflicting the entire industry - see also consoles, graphics cards and many other things. With their own fabs, intel are uniquely placed to supply right now, but their CPUs are more competing with the last gen of AMD's if you're talking about a workstation)

lrem 6y ago

TBF, I still haven't seen enough to convince me to upgrade my desktop from 4690K (which got an RTX2080 in the meantime). Standing plan is to wait for RTX4090 or AMD's equivalent and change the whole box then.

chris11 6y ago
I still have a 4770k. I have a newer gpu, and it seems to be working ok for me. I'm planning on upgrading in 2022 when DDR5 is available.