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That’s bonkers! If you’re somewhere you can’t charge, you’re talking $1500 to do 4 hours of heavy work. And that’s assuming your small battery pack can even p

That’s bonkers! If you’re somewhere you can’t charge, you’re talking $1500 to do 4 hours of heavy work. And that’s assuming your small battery pack can even put out enough torque to match a 2-stroke for heavy uses.

anigbrowl 6y ago
Or you fit your pickup truck with an inverter (which you probably already have tbh) and charge batteries as you drive to the next job. And wait until you hear about some exciting products that require no battery at all, like Rake and Broom!
- Someone1234 6y ago
  It takes 3 hours to recharge the provided battery on the provided charger. That means a battery could be used, at most, twice in a day therefore still requiring add-on batteries for commercial applications (3x~ per tool, per day). As to the "rake and broom," point: there's an innate time value to consider for commercial applications. If each job takes longer, you'll do fewer jobs, and could lose money overall. I'm not really clear on what point you were trying to make? That add-ons aren't overpriced? That commercial lawn care companies should wait 3 hrs between jobs? That manual raking and gas/electric blowers offer the same productivity?
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    The point is that you're focusing on the worst-case scenario costs, rather than considering that there are workarounds (faster commercial chargers, vehicle as less-polluting power store for mains-power electrical tools, manual tools that work better and faster in some contexts). I think you understand this quite well.
    - Someone1234 6y ago
      > The point is that you're focusing on the worst-case scenario costs It is quite literally today's current prices at major retailers. It isn't the worst case, Toro's battery overcharging is pretty in-line with other manufacturers, and I picked Toro because it is popular/mainstream for commercial work already. > faster commercial chargers You're saying that for a commercial lawn care company to switch to electric right now they have to buy chargers that don't exist for sale? > vehicle as less-polluting power store for mains-power electrical tool, And the cost of batteries? You're just completely ignoring the comment chain's topic entirely. > manual tools that work better and faster in some contexts Commercial lawn care and leaf blowers/trimmers is the context. It is literally what the thread and comment chain is about. In the context we're talking about: No, absolutely not. In other irrelevant contexts? Sure, I guess?
      - anigbrowl 6y ago
        You built your example on 2.5Ah batteries. It only took me a few minutes to find a 7.5Ah battery from Toro that offered better value (3x the capacity for a little over 2x the price). See? Things are 3 times better already. You're saying that for a commercial lawn care company to switch to electric right now they have to buy chargers that don't exist for sale? Multi-bank commercial chargers (also known as battery tenders) are a thing. There are many third-party offerings. I did not check for compatibility with Toro batteries specifically, but if is as popular a brand as you say then then either they already exist or will soon. manual tools that work better and faster in some contexts Commercial lawn care and leaf blowers/trimmers is the context. It is literally what the thread and comment chain is about. In the context we're talking about: No, absolutely not. In other irrelevant contexts? Sure, I guess? This is ridiculous. Rakes and brooms work better than leafblowers in some cleaning contexts, like where you have a pile of wet leaves banked up somewhere (mentioned on another thread); blowing them is difficult and slow, whereas they can be moved in moments with a rake. Is this really so hard to figure out? The original references to 'Rake and Broom' were clearly humorous, but it doesn't take much imagination to think up situations where a manual tool can actually be the most efficient choice. You seem bent on disputing everything rather than admitting that it might be possible to get things done without filthy 2-stroke engines.
- mnouquet 6y ago
  Or ICE powered gas tools.
- asdff 6y ago
  How often will you be killing these batteries if you are draining and charging multiple times a day?
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anigbrowl 6y ago

Or you fit your pickup truck with an inverter (which you probably already have tbh) and charge batteries as you drive to the next job. And wait until you hear about some exciting products that require no battery at all, like Rake and Broom!

Someone1234 6y ago
It takes 3 hours to recharge the provided battery on the provided charger. That means a battery could be used, at most, twice in a day therefore still requiring add-on batteries for commercial applications (3x~ per tool, per day). As to the "rake and broom," point: there's an innate time value to consider for commercial applications. If each job takes longer, you'll do fewer jobs, and could lose money overall. I'm not really clear on what point you were trying to make? That add-ons aren't overpriced? That commercial lawn care companies should wait 3 hrs between jobs? That manual raking and gas/electric blowers offer the same productivity?
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  The point is that you're focusing on the worst-case scenario costs, rather than considering that there are workarounds (faster commercial chargers, vehicle as less-polluting power store for mains-power electrical tools, manual tools that work better and faster in some contexts). I think you understand this quite well.
  - Someone1234 6y ago
    > The point is that you're focusing on the worst-case scenario costs It is quite literally today's current prices at major retailers. It isn't the worst case, Toro's battery overcharging is pretty in-line with other manufacturers, and I picked Toro because it is popular/mainstream for commercial work already. > faster commercial chargers You're saying that for a commercial lawn care company to switch to electric right now they have to buy chargers that don't exist for sale? > vehicle as less-polluting power store for mains-power electrical tool, And the cost of batteries? You're just completely ignoring the comment chain's topic entirely. > manual tools that work better and faster in some contexts Commercial lawn care and leaf blowers/trimmers is the context. It is literally what the thread and comment chain is about. In the context we're talking about: No, absolutely not. In other irrelevant contexts? Sure, I guess?
    - anigbrowl 6y ago
      You built your example on 2.5Ah batteries. It only took me a few minutes to find a 7.5Ah battery from Toro that offered better value (3x the capacity for a little over 2x the price). See? Things are 3 times better already. You're saying that for a commercial lawn care company to switch to electric right now they have to buy chargers that don't exist for sale? Multi-bank commercial chargers (also known as battery tenders) are a thing. There are many third-party offerings. I did not check for compatibility with Toro batteries specifically, but if is as popular a brand as you say then then either they already exist or will soon. manual tools that work better and faster in some contexts Commercial lawn care and leaf blowers/trimmers is the context. It is literally what the thread and comment chain is about. In the context we're talking about: No, absolutely not. In other irrelevant contexts? Sure, I guess? This is ridiculous. Rakes and brooms work better than leafblowers in some cleaning contexts, like where you have a pile of wet leaves banked up somewhere (mentioned on another thread); blowing them is difficult and slow, whereas they can be moved in moments with a rake. Is this really so hard to figure out? The original references to 'Rake and Broom' were clearly humorous, but it doesn't take much imagination to think up situations where a manual tool can actually be the most efficient choice. You seem bent on disputing everything rather than admitting that it might be possible to get things done without filthy 2-stroke engines.
mnouquet 6y ago
Or ICE powered gas tools.
asdff 6y ago
How often will you be killing these batteries if you are draining and charging multiple times a day?
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