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> I do have suggestions and ideas but I feel like the author(s) are too busy and would appreciate code PRs much more. That is correct, and it would be sad and

> I do have suggestions and ideas but I feel like the author(s) are too busy and would appreciate code PRs much more. That is correct, and it would be sad and damaging to believe exhausted volunteer maintainers should satisfy each and every desire of yours. However, stating expectations and desires respectfully is really helpful, especially when it is done in a precise manner so someone with time and energy can try to implement it. > When you choose one, the page loads another HTML file. Well if you're keeping different versions of the Markdown file within your content folder, then it's not a problem. A page can link to its siblings just like you described. But zola, like all SSGs i know, uses a simple folder for content so there is no notion of history of a single file. We usually use a version control system (like git) for that.

pdimitar 6y ago
> That is correct, and it would be sad and damaging to believe exhausted volunteer maintainers should satisfy each and every desire of yours. That's precisely why I am keeping silent. I worked on OSS myself and I don't want to come off as entitled. When I don't find the features that I would like I am mostly just shrugging and thinking to myself "either I'll research Zola's code base and make a good PR about it or I'll just keep my thoughts for myself because everyone can demand their own favorite features and it's not a productive use of the maintainers' time to read people's wishlists". > However, stating expectations and desires respectfully is really helpful, especially when it is done in a precise manner so someone with time and energy can try to implement it. True to an extent but I've been bitten by this in the past. My definition of respectful expectations is somebody's idea of entitlement even if I use language like "please consider this feature if you find yourself with some extra bandwidth in the future" and "I think this would help adoption because I know I am not the only one wanting it" and "this could help with SEO for this or that class of websites". I learned that many OSS maintainers are tired and jaded -- and thus very jumpy as a result. So I just stopped giving suggestions after I have been slapped with "only PRs are welcome, otherwise we are not interested in theoretical discussions" several times in the past. I realize Zola's maintainers might not be like this but there's something else to consider as well: it's mentally very tiring to have to use extremely watered-down diplomatic language (almost to the point of begging) just so you don't get on somebody's bad side if they had a crappy day. I've had people rage at me for saying something as simple as: "feature X would be very helpful for workflow Y, would you consider adding it during the next 6 months?" (I guess the trigger was the implication of a deadline imposed on somebody's hobby work but the reaction was violent enough that I lost my desire to apologize.) And so it goes. > We usually use a version control system (like git) for that. I don't know the specifics but wouldn't that require Zola's Rust code to be aware of the GIT history of the website itself? Sounds like 5 tons of complexity loaded on top of 10kg worth of software, so to speak -- but I might be wrong. I'd personally go for something like this: /articles/ /reasons-to-choose-rust-in-2021/ + 2020-01-31.html + 2020-02-28.html + 2020-03-05.html why-i-left-ruby.html /resume/ + 2019-01-17.html + 2020-03-15.html ^ The above describes only 3 articles, one of each has no revisions (why-i-left-ruby.html), one of them has two revisions (resume) and another has three (reasons-to-choose-rust-in-2021). However, I am just talking out of my a$$ and can't comment if this is easy to integrate or what complexity and repercussions would it have to the otherwise free-form directory/file structure that Zola encourages. I am simply illustrating what I would be after.
- Keats 6y ago
  > That's precisely why I am keeping silent. (Author of Zola here) I don't mind feature requests at all! The only thing I mind is people getting angry if I close a feature request as too niche or out of scope for Zola. But for example, the big focus for the next version is better i18n support so feedback/opinions are very welcome: https://zola.discourse.group/t/rfc-internationalization-system-rework/546/21 https://zola.discourse.group/t/rfc-internationalization-syst... but it is a big chunk of work so it will take some time. For the revisions, I don't think it would work right now the way you want. I have thought about something similar before but couldn't figure out a satisfying way to do it (or even whether it was common enough for the work to be worth it).
  - pdimitar 6y ago
    > For the revisions, I don't think it would work right now the way you want. I have thought about something similar before but couldn't figure out a satisfying way to do it (or even whether it was common enough for the work to be worth it). Well, if you like the feature, go for it! It's your project. :) Seriously said though -- I think this has a lot of future in terms of f.ex. tech docs or Wiki-like articles where you would want to revise your opinion / take on a hot topic a year later. Such a feature is a glaring omission from the SSG engines IMO. I'd love to help but sadly I am wrestling with severely deteriorated health and just being productive at work and functional enough for my family life is draining 90% of my daily energy budget. So I'd lie if I said that I could help right now. So I prefer not to lie. (I'll definitely check out the thread for i18n, thanks for linking it!) > The only thing I mind is people getting angry if I close a feature request as too niche or out of scope for Zola. That won't ever happen with me. I don't get angry. I realize what it is to be an OSS maintainer and I am not entitled. I'll shoot my idea and if it doesn't get accepted I'll just shrug it off. Thank you for the encouraging words! They mean a lot. Keep up the good work. Zola is so far my favorite SSG engine, it's just that I can't muster the energy to learn it well and maybe help extend it. Here's hoping for the future.

pdimitar 6y ago

> That is correct, and it would be sad and damaging to believe exhausted volunteer maintainers should satisfy each and every desire of yours. That's precisely why I am keeping silent. I worked on OSS myself and I don't want to come off as entitled. When I don't find the features that I would like I am mostly just shrugging and thinking to myself "either I'll research Zola's code base and make a good PR about it or I'll just keep my thoughts for myself because everyone can demand their own favorite features and it's not a productive use of the maintainers' time to read people's wishlists". > However, stating expectations and desires respectfully is really helpful, especially when it is done in a precise manner so someone with time and energy can try to implement it. True to an extent but I've been bitten by this in the past. My definition of respectful expectations is somebody's idea of entitlement even if I use language like "please consider this feature if you find yourself with some extra bandwidth in the future" and "I think this would help adoption because I know I am not the only one wanting it" and "this could help with SEO for this or that class of websites". I learned that many OSS maintainers are tired and jaded -- and thus very jumpy as a result. So I just stopped giving suggestions after I have been slapped with "only PRs are welcome, otherwise we are not interested in theoretical discussions" several times in the past. I realize Zola's maintainers might not be like this but there's something else to consider as well: it's mentally very tiring to have to use extremely watered-down diplomatic language (almost to the point of begging) just so you don't get on somebody's bad side if they had a crappy day. I've had people rage at me for saying something as simple as: "feature X would be very helpful for workflow Y, would you consider adding it during the next 6 months?" (I guess the trigger was the implication of a deadline imposed on somebody's hobby work but the reaction was violent enough that I lost my desire to apologize.) And so it goes. > We usually use a version control system (like git) for that. I don't know the specifics but wouldn't that require Zola's Rust code to be aware of the GIT history of the website itself? Sounds like 5 tons of complexity loaded on top of 10kg worth of software, so to speak -- but I might be wrong. I'd personally go for something like this: /articles/ /reasons-to-choose-rust-in-2021/ + 2020-01-31.html + 2020-02-28.html + 2020-03-05.html why-i-left-ruby.html /resume/ + 2019-01-17.html + 2020-03-15.html ^ The above describes only 3 articles, one of each has no revisions (why-i-left-ruby.html), one of them has two revisions (resume) and another has three (reasons-to-choose-rust-in-2021). However, I am just talking out of my a$$ and can't comment if this is easy to integrate or what complexity and repercussions would it have to the otherwise free-form directory/file structure that Zola encourages. I am simply illustrating what I would be after.

Keats 6y ago
> That's precisely why I am keeping silent. (Author of Zola here) I don't mind feature requests at all! The only thing I mind is people getting angry if I close a feature request as too niche or out of scope for Zola. But for example, the big focus for the next version is better i18n support so feedback/opinions are very welcome: https://zola.discourse.group/t/rfc-internationalization-system-rework/546/21 https://zola.discourse.group/t/rfc-internationalization-syst... but it is a big chunk of work so it will take some time. For the revisions, I don't think it would work right now the way you want. I have thought about something similar before but couldn't figure out a satisfying way to do it (or even whether it was common enough for the work to be worth it).
- pdimitar 6y ago
  > For the revisions, I don't think it would work right now the way you want. I have thought about something similar before but couldn't figure out a satisfying way to do it (or even whether it was common enough for the work to be worth it). Well, if you like the feature, go for it! It's your project. :) Seriously said though -- I think this has a lot of future in terms of f.ex. tech docs or Wiki-like articles where you would want to revise your opinion / take on a hot topic a year later. Such a feature is a glaring omission from the SSG engines IMO. I'd love to help but sadly I am wrestling with severely deteriorated health and just being productive at work and functional enough for my family life is draining 90% of my daily energy budget. So I'd lie if I said that I could help right now. So I prefer not to lie. (I'll definitely check out the thread for i18n, thanks for linking it!) > The only thing I mind is people getting angry if I close a feature request as too niche or out of scope for Zola. That won't ever happen with me. I don't get angry. I realize what it is to be an OSS maintainer and I am not entitled. I'll shoot my idea and if it doesn't get accepted I'll just shrug it off. Thank you for the encouraging words! They mean a lot. Keep up the good work. Zola is so far my favorite SSG engine, it's just that I can't muster the energy to learn it well and maybe help extend it. Here's hoping for the future.