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Anyone want to start a competing SSO service?

by disgrunt 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago
WorkOS, FusionAuth, Keycloak, the ecosystem is flush. Vote with your dollars and your implementation.
- dv_dt 6y ago
  What are the interesting contrasts & differentiators in the ecosystem in your opinion?
  - mooreds 6y ago
    I work for FusionAuth and we have some comparisons on our website, but I haven't built an application with each of these. I'd say that dimensions that matter vary so widely for each person and use case, it'd be hard to do a great comparison. Dimensions that matter: * open source or not * standalone application or library/framework you integrate * self hosted or SaaS * authentication, authorization, user management or all three? * standards implementation * integrations with other auth tech (LDAP) * which OAuth grants they support * documentation and developer experience And that doesn't get into specific features that you might need. An example: if you want to modify a user object in the middle of a login flow, Auth0 has rules, we have Lambdas, Keycloak has plugins. How are you going to know what features you need without building out at least a sample app? Oh, and pricing! Lots of the smaller operations (us included) have transparent pricing, but Okta/Auth0 don't. I wrote out a list of 13 different use cases for FusionAuth ( https://github.com/fusionauth/fusionauth-issues/issues/1002 https://github.com/fusionauth/fusionauth-issues/issues/1002 ) and I am still discovering new ways this coiuld be used. I'm sure that is the case with all these competitors. It's the old elephant story: https://www.peacecorps.gov/educators/resources/story-blind-men-and-elephant/ https://www.peacecorps.gov/educators/resources/story-blind-m...
- advaitruia 6y ago
  + supertokens.io
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Mea culpa.
gaogao 6y ago
Clerk, who top paged recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069621 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069621, could compete on that front.
- pc86 6y ago
  I'm not sure folks considering Okta are also considering 18-month old competitors charge $0.05/user. Other comments here place Okta at $2-15/user/month depending on feature-set so it's hard to imagine there's anything close to feature parity with that pricing spread.
- colinclerk 6y ago
  Thanks for the mention :) Come join us! We're building similar react components for creating and managing organizations, including a self-serve way for IT admins to setup SSO for their org.
vangelis 6y ago
You could probably make money on Shibboleth consulting.
erulabs 6y ago
Take a look at the site this blog is posted on ;)

Anyone want to start a competing SSO service?

toomuchtodo 6y ago

WorkOS, FusionAuth, Keycloak, the ecosystem is flush. Vote with your dollars and your implementation.

dv_dt 6y ago
What are the interesting contrasts & differentiators in the ecosystem in your opinion?
- mooreds 6y ago
  I work for FusionAuth and we have some comparisons on our website, but I haven't built an application with each of these. I'd say that dimensions that matter vary so widely for each person and use case, it'd be hard to do a great comparison. Dimensions that matter: * open source or not * standalone application or library/framework you integrate * self hosted or SaaS * authentication, authorization, user management or all three? * standards implementation * integrations with other auth tech (LDAP) * which OAuth grants they support * documentation and developer experience And that doesn't get into specific features that you might need. An example: if you want to modify a user object in the middle of a login flow, Auth0 has rules, we have Lambdas, Keycloak has plugins. How are you going to know what features you need without building out at least a sample app? Oh, and pricing! Lots of the smaller operations (us included) have transparent pricing, but Okta/Auth0 don't. I wrote out a list of 13 different use cases for FusionAuth ( https://github.com/fusionauth/fusionauth-issues/issues/1002 https://github.com/fusionauth/fusionauth-issues/issues/1002 ) and I am still discovering new ways this coiuld be used. I'm sure that is the case with all these competitors. It's the old elephant story: https://www.peacecorps.gov/educators/resources/story-blind-men-and-elephant/ https://www.peacecorps.gov/educators/resources/story-blind-m...
advaitruia 6y ago
+ supertokens.io
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Mea culpa.

gaogao 6y ago

Clerk, who top paged recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069621 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26069621, could compete on that front.

pc86 6y ago
I'm not sure folks considering Okta are also considering 18-month old competitors charge $0.05/user. Other comments here place Okta at $2-15/user/month depending on feature-set so it's hard to imagine there's anything close to feature parity with that pricing spread.
colinclerk 6y ago
Thanks for the mention :) Come join us! We're building similar react components for creating and managing organizations, including a self-serve way for IT admins to setup SSO for their org.

vangelis 6y ago

You could probably make money on Shibboleth consulting.

erulabs 6y ago

Take a look at the site this blog is posted on ;)