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More echo chamber...

imwillofficial 6y ago
Can you explain to me how that’s a bad thing? Differences among people do not make them more United and their bonds stronger. Literally the opposite is true.
- idrios 6y ago
  Because the commonalities that exist between people help them overcome their differences, understand each other better and reflect on themselves.
  - imwillofficial 6y ago
    I’m positing that more differences = weaker relationship. Are we agreeing?
    - Kim_Bruning 6y ago
      That depends a bit. Differences can complement each other. Some people might be better at some things, while others are better at other things. (thus combining strengths) Some people might actually be really bad at some other things yet again, while others could happen to be very good at them (thus covering each others weaknesses) When you have people with different backgrounds and training all working together you can do things together that you wouldn't otherwise be able to do separately.
    - idrios 6y ago
      For sure. I was just stating why echo chambers are bad. In the context of a dating app, I think dating right now suffers from a totally diffent and unrelated effect where the pool of potential partners has become so big that people have unrealistic expectations in what they want in a partner. So in that context I actually think anything that narrows the list of potential partners is a good thing. But still, it's yet another facet of our lives where we deal with disagreements by putting them out of sight rather than communicating and understanding.
- sakopov 6y ago
  It's a terrible thing that politics influence this at all. A few months ago I was discussing this with my SO and we came to the conclusion that ~5 years ago neither of us would care about each other's political stances. Today, politics have infiltrated literally every single facet of life and became a mania of sorts for many even non-political types. Ignoring it is difficult to say the least. With that said, political differences, in my humble opinion, is a great thing as long as they're not radical and within normal realms. But, in a polarized climate we live in now radical political views are all the rage and it'd be very hard to dismiss in a relationship.
- bluefirebrand 6y ago
  > Differences among people do not make them more United and their bonds stronger. Literally the opposite is true I tend to agree. It's why I find all of the recent "Diversity is our strength" stuff so puzzling. I'm not against diversity, I just recognize that it generally results in at least some interpersonal challenges to overcome, not necessarily unity.
  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    You have been found to have committed wrongthink by an automated bot. Please prepare for unpersoning. Have a nice day.
  - Kim_Bruning 6y ago
    Sic transit "E pluribus unum"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      Former Kaiser of Austria-Hungary, Franz Joseph, had a personal motto of "Viribus Unitis". That means "With United Forces". It was also used by A-H military. In practice, the multicultural empire was greatly weakened by incessant nationalist bickering. Once you have to declare that X is your strength or something similar, it most likely isn't.
      - Kim_Bruning 6y ago
        Good counter-example. I would argue that Diversity is necessary, but not sufficient. ("E pluribus unum" is -of course- the motto of the United States of America. Not the least of nations!) "If we all reacted the same way, we'd be predictable, and there's always more than one way to view a situation. What's true for the group is also true for the individual. It's simple: Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. "
    - imwillofficial 6y ago
PeterisP 6y ago
Well, it's an app for dating, not an app for finding "change my mind" political debate; so being an "echo chamber" is kind of what's desirable for that app.

Can you explain to me how that’s a bad thing? Differences among people do not make them more United and their bonds stronger. Literally the opposite is true.

idrios 6y ago
Because the commonalities that exist between people help them overcome their differences, understand each other better and reflect on themselves.
- imwillofficial 6y ago
  I’m positing that more differences = weaker relationship. Are we agreeing?
  - Kim_Bruning 6y ago
    That depends a bit. Differences can complement each other. Some people might be better at some things, while others are better at other things. (thus combining strengths) Some people might actually be really bad at some other things yet again, while others could happen to be very good at them (thus covering each others weaknesses) When you have people with different backgrounds and training all working together you can do things together that you wouldn't otherwise be able to do separately.
  - idrios 6y ago
    For sure. I was just stating why echo chambers are bad. In the context of a dating app, I think dating right now suffers from a totally diffent and unrelated effect where the pool of potential partners has become so big that people have unrealistic expectations in what they want in a partner. So in that context I actually think anything that narrows the list of potential partners is a good thing. But still, it's yet another facet of our lives where we deal with disagreements by putting them out of sight rather than communicating and understanding.
sakopov 6y ago
It's a terrible thing that politics influence this at all. A few months ago I was discussing this with my SO and we came to the conclusion that ~5 years ago neither of us would care about each other's political stances. Today, politics have infiltrated literally every single facet of life and became a mania of sorts for many even non-political types. Ignoring it is difficult to say the least. With that said, political differences, in my humble opinion, is a great thing as long as they're not radical and within normal realms. But, in a polarized climate we live in now radical political views are all the rage and it'd be very hard to dismiss in a relationship.
bluefirebrand 6y ago
> Differences among people do not make them more United and their bonds stronger. Literally the opposite is true I tend to agree. It's why I find all of the recent "Diversity is our strength" stuff so puzzling. I'm not against diversity, I just recognize that it generally results in at least some interpersonal challenges to overcome, not necessarily unity.
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  You have been found to have committed wrongthink by an automated bot. Please prepare for unpersoning. Have a nice day.
- Kim_Bruning 6y ago
  Sic transit "E pluribus unum"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    Former Kaiser of Austria-Hungary, Franz Joseph, had a personal motto of "Viribus Unitis". That means "With United Forces". It was also used by A-H military. In practice, the multicultural empire was greatly weakened by incessant nationalist bickering. Once you have to declare that X is your strength or something similar, it most likely isn't.
    - Kim_Bruning 6y ago
      Good counter-example. I would argue that Diversity is necessary, but not sufficient. ("E pluribus unum" is -of course- the motto of the United States of America. Not the least of nations!) "If we all reacted the same way, we'd be predictable, and there's always more than one way to view a situation. What's true for the group is also true for the individual. It's simple: Overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death. "
  - imwillofficial 6y ago

PeterisP 6y ago

Well, it's an app for dating, not an app for finding "change my mind" political debate; so being an "echo chamber" is kind of what's desirable for that app.