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Reddit is no longer a place of free expression and community. The censorship and negative echo chambers there are out of control. Its only going to get worse. R

Reddit is no longer a place of free expression and community. The censorship and negative echo chambers there are out of control. Its only going to get worse. R/wsb do your magic here..

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
Of course it isn't, because the libertarian ideal is impossible on the internet. Gab / Parler are self-proclaimed bastions of free speech, but they boot left-leaning opinions and have no privacy protection (because they were hacked). Voat gained popularity when Reddit got rid of the hate subreddits, and it shut down late last year because nobody wants to invest in or advertise on a platform where everything goes. Sorry for zooming in on your 'censorship' comment, but it's something that just rubs me up the wrong way. No community can do without censorship (or I prefer "content moderation", censorship is mainly used for governments and e.g. journalists; you won't get put in jail for being a prick on the internets) and be sustainable at the same time.
Dracophoenix 6y ago
/u/spezymandus is partial only to his own views regarding what content should be permitted to present itself on Reddit to the point of hypocrisy. At the end of the day the only reason that r/wsb and it's 4chanesque shenanigans haven't been banned is because it's onboarded so many new users. But at some point it's going to become as clamped down as all the other subreddits if not thoroughly eviscerated. Especially as they start onboarding advertisers post-IPO. It's goodbye Usenet 2.0, hello New Facebook!
- fuzxi 6y ago
  I remember when there was that big leak of celebrity nudes (the Fappening) and the reddit CEO at the time, yishan, posted that they wouldn't take down any of them because "Every man is responsible for his own soul." Then the well-deserved backlash made him backpedal at supersonic speeds. Anyway, my point is that that incident wasn't even out of the norm for reddit administration. Their standard for objectionable content is based on whether something gets negative media attention. Spez is nothing new.
  - Dracophoenix 6y ago
    While that's true, at some point, the rule changes went from reactive to to peremptory. Now one can be banned just for upvoting content that is considered "rule-breaking". The crime is no longer posting the wrong content, it's expressing the wrong thoughts/reactions. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the near future, reddit started ip-blocking users based on what sites they linked from or started using an Elo-based profile rating system to remove profiles or whole subreddits en masse.
indigo_rover 6y ago
I agree, one of the worse offenders that I've found is r/DebateCommunism. That subreddit is strangely similar to the now defunct r/theDonald and I would go as far as calling it a brainwashing academy for the débil mind.
dageshi 6y ago
You can't have a "community" at the size reddit has grown to.
pradn 6y ago
It has always been like this, since about when it stopped being a little community for programmers. r/politics, for example, has never been any better than it is currently.

Reddit is no longer a place of free expression and community. The censorship and negative echo chambers there are out of control. Its only going to get worse. R/wsb do your magic here..

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

Of course it isn't, because the libertarian ideal is impossible on the internet. Gab / Parler are self-proclaimed bastions of free speech, but they boot left-leaning opinions and have no privacy protection (because they were hacked). Voat gained popularity when Reddit got rid of the hate subreddits, and it shut down late last year because nobody wants to invest in or advertise on a platform where everything goes. Sorry for zooming in on your 'censorship' comment, but it's something that just rubs me up the wrong way. No community can do without censorship (or I prefer "content moderation", censorship is mainly used for governments and e.g. journalists; you won't get put in jail for being a prick on the internets) and be sustainable at the same time.

Dracophoenix 6y ago

/u/spezymandus is partial only to his own views regarding what content should be permitted to present itself on Reddit to the point of hypocrisy. At the end of the day the only reason that r/wsb and it's 4chanesque shenanigans haven't been banned is because it's onboarded so many new users. But at some point it's going to become as clamped down as all the other subreddits if not thoroughly eviscerated. Especially as they start onboarding advertisers post-IPO. It's goodbye Usenet 2.0, hello New Facebook!

fuzxi 6y ago
I remember when there was that big leak of celebrity nudes (the Fappening) and the reddit CEO at the time, yishan, posted that they wouldn't take down any of them because "Every man is responsible for his own soul." Then the well-deserved backlash made him backpedal at supersonic speeds. Anyway, my point is that that incident wasn't even out of the norm for reddit administration. Their standard for objectionable content is based on whether something gets negative media attention. Spez is nothing new.
- Dracophoenix 6y ago
  While that's true, at some point, the rule changes went from reactive to to peremptory. Now one can be banned just for upvoting content that is considered "rule-breaking". The crime is no longer posting the wrong content, it's expressing the wrong thoughts/reactions. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the near future, reddit started ip-blocking users based on what sites they linked from or started using an Elo-based profile rating system to remove profiles or whole subreddits en masse.

indigo_rover 6y ago

I agree, one of the worse offenders that I've found is r/DebateCommunism. That subreddit is strangely similar to the now defunct r/theDonald and I would go as far as calling it a brainwashing academy for the débil mind.

dageshi 6y ago

You can't have a "community" at the size reddit has grown to.

pradn 6y ago

It has always been like this, since about when it stopped being a little community for programmers. r/politics, for example, has never been any better than it is currently.