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who's "basic human rights" are being denied here? Are you saying that the publisher of Dr.Seuss is committing human rights abuses by choosing not to publish som

by shlant 6y ago

who's "basic human rights" are being denied here? Are you saying that the publisher of Dr.Seuss is committing human rights abuses by choosing not to publish some of the books THEY own the rights to? Also, maybe teaching your children to be toxic towards anything won't really improve the world they will have to live in?

DocTomoe 6y ago
Surpressing information is wrong. The publisher not publishing is a minor case here, the Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces are the main enemy here. Also, being tolerant to intolerance breeds autocratic and non free societies. A lesson mankind seems to have to learn over and over and over again. My children will be taught that you do not suffer the Nazi, the Communist, the self-righteous conservative calling for a ban or the SJW.
- shlant 6y ago
  > the Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces are the main enemy here. could you provide some examples of what you are referring to here?
  - kweinber 6y ago
    There aren't any. The legion of SJWs and progressive use of government bans are totally made-up things. Propaganda has been very strong the last few years, and people feel like defending racism is actually some sort of legitimate fight because they actually believe that things like Antifa, Social-Justice-Warriors, and government bans initiated by progressives are real organized things. They are invented ideas and tools used by propagandists to keep people divided and working against the interests of other Americans.
    - tired-dev 6y ago
      It's a rhetorical approach that (Godwin's law be damned) dates back to Nazi Germany: "Cultural Bolshevism" (nowadays called "Cultural Marxism") was the purported threat of a vast communist conspiracy to destroy "the family", "cultural heritage", etc., of which all progressive groups are either co-conspirators or unwitting pawns. That way you can prevent your political base from scrutinizing or criticizing your untenable positions by painting the losing battles (such as "selling racist caricatures is a crucial tradition and doing it no longer is cowering before a leftist mob") as vital fronts in the "culture war". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
    - shlant 6y ago
      yea that was the reason why I asked for examples as I figured they were just parroting reactionary talking points without any evidence to back it up. I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm still waiting on those examples...
  - DocTomoe 6y ago
    Have a starter from the ALA: http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks
    - shlant 6y ago
      that's not an example of "Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces". That's just vague gesturing at lists of controversial books all of which are readily available. Did you even go through this list? http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/decade2019 http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks... Most of them might be "banned" in a few select conservative/christian schools and that's it. Come up with actual examples of the things you are claiming or stop fear-mongering.
- lgleason 6y ago
  This, 100% over. That is how I have lived my life and plan on passing that on to the next generation as well.
Chris2048 6y ago
> THEY own the rights to these rights are supposed to protect compensation, not as a means of suppression or censorship. Why should society protect IP for this purpose, or compensate IP owners for which there are no damages?
- shlant 6y ago
  are you saying that private entities don't get to choose what products to cease production of? Once you start producing a product, you are obligated to continue indefinitely?
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    No, I'm saying the opposite: the private owner should lose exclusive production rights if they cease production permanently; i.e others should be able to freely produce this book, now it is out of production, without fear of being sued over copyright.

by shlant 6y ago

DocTomoe 6y ago

Surpressing information is wrong. The publisher not publishing is a minor case here, the Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces are the main enemy here. Also, being tolerant to intolerance breeds autocratic and non free societies. A lesson mankind seems to have to learn over and over and over again. My children will be taught that you do not suffer the Nazi, the Communist, the self-righteous conservative calling for a ban or the SJW.

shlant 6y ago
> the Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces are the main enemy here. could you provide some examples of what you are referring to here?
- kweinber 6y ago
  There aren't any. The legion of SJWs and progressive use of government bans are totally made-up things. Propaganda has been very strong the last few years, and people feel like defending racism is actually some sort of legitimate fight because they actually believe that things like Antifa, Social-Justice-Warriors, and government bans initiated by progressives are real organized things. They are invented ideas and tools used by propagandists to keep people divided and working against the interests of other Americans.
  - tired-dev 6y ago
    It's a rhetorical approach that (Godwin's law be damned) dates back to Nazi Germany: "Cultural Bolshevism" (nowadays called "Cultural Marxism") was the purported threat of a vast communist conspiracy to destroy "the family", "cultural heritage", etc., of which all progressive groups are either co-conspirators or unwitting pawns. That way you can prevent your political base from scrutinizing or criticizing your untenable positions by painting the losing battles (such as "selling racist caricatures is a crucial tradition and doing it no longer is cowering before a leftist mob") as vital fronts in the "culture war". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism
  - shlant 6y ago
    yea that was the reason why I asked for examples as I figured they were just parroting reactionary talking points without any evidence to back it up. I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm still waiting on those examples...
- DocTomoe 6y ago
  Have a starter from the ALA: http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks
  - shlant 6y ago
    that's not an example of "Karens and SJWs who make existing work disappear by having it banned from libraries and/or public marketplaces". That's just vague gesturing at lists of controversial books all of which are readily available. Did you even go through this list? http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/decade2019 http://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks... Most of them might be "banned" in a few select conservative/christian schools and that's it. Come up with actual examples of the things you are claiming or stop fear-mongering.
lgleason 6y ago
This, 100% over. That is how I have lived my life and plan on passing that on to the next generation as well.

Chris2048 6y ago

> THEY own the rights to these rights are supposed to protect compensation, not as a means of suppression or censorship. Why should society protect IP for this purpose, or compensate IP owners for which there are no damages?

shlant 6y ago
are you saying that private entities don't get to choose what products to cease production of? Once you start producing a product, you are obligated to continue indefinitely?
- Chris2048 6y ago
  No, I'm saying the opposite: the private owner should lose exclusive production rights if they cease production permanently; i.e others should be able to freely produce this book, now it is out of production, without fear of being sued over copyright.