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Cite for anyone anywhere asking that these books be removed from libraries?

nyolfen 6y ago
this wasn't very hard https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/local-libraries-begin-removal-of-controversial-dr-seuss-books/ https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/local-libraries-begin-r... https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/canadian-libraries-reassess-dr-seuss-books-pulled-from-publication-for-racist-images-1.5332254 https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/canadian-libraries-reas... https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2021/03/02/indianapolis-public-library-consider-removing-dr-seuss-books/6884356002/ https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2021/03/02/indiana... https://www.newsday.com/long-island/dr-seuss-books-publication-1.50170821 https://www.newsday.com/long-island/dr-seuss-books-publicati...
- millzlane 6y ago
  Noone asked them to remove them. The library decided on their own after the publisher decided to remove them. From it's catalog.
  - dabbledash 6y ago
    So, the librarians in these cases are so averse to controversial material that they remove it without even being asked?
    - scottious 6y ago
      I don't see what the problem is here? If I open a book store I'm sure as hell not going to sell Mien Kampf or white supremacist manifestos. Am I being unreasonable by standing by my values and not stocking these books? I don't think they should be banned but I also don't think I should be required to sell them. I'm sure there are plenty of Christian book stores / libraries out there who are unwilling to stock The God Delusion. And why would a LGBTQ bookstore sell LGBTQ hate propaganda? I guess this could be taken to an extreme. Maybe a library in a highly conservative town chooses to not stock anything that has a hint of left-wing ideology, and maybe they have internet filters to block any left-wing web sites, and they only put front-and-center highly right-wing books. I don't know, it's complicated.
      - Chris2048 6y ago
        Why would a christian bakery sell gay wedding cakes? The truth is, there is already plenty interference is private business, but it (seems) to not be evenly applied. If I request a library stock (or borrow) a book that I'd like to read, I don't consider political aesthetics to be a valid reason to refuse. > I'm sure there are plenty of Christian book stores / libraries out there who are unwilling to stock The God Delusion Do you mean a normal bookstore owned by Christians, or a specialist bookstore that only stocks christian literature? If the store could refuse any non-christian material (e.g. a cookbook) as well as Dawkins books, I'm not sure if that's censorship - a greengrocer can also refuse to stock The God Delusion on similarly reasonable grounds.
        scottious 6y ago
        > Why would a christian bakery sell gay wedding cakes? I think we've decided as a society that sexual orientation is a protected group. You cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation. But I think you can still discriminate based on views of what is racist and what is not? If a white guy walks into black-owned barber shop and throws around racial slurs at the barbers, can the owners of that barber shop refuse him service and kick him out? I certainly hope so... but am I being hypocritical? Honestly I'm out of my depth here. I have opinions but I don't think my opinions are necessarily as informed as I want them to be.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        > If a white guy walks into black-owned barber shop.. What kind of example is this? Does it matter what the respective races are? How is this equivalent to the wedding-cake example? As for "sexual orientation is a protected group"; religion is also protected.
      - dabbledash 6y ago
        This specific thread is about public libraries. I definitely don’t want public librarians to see their job as an avenue for expressing their views. But for the rest of it, I get what you’re saying. I definitely want to live in a world where there are Christian booksellers selling their curated collections, and left wing revolutionary bookstores selling theirs. That only adds to diversity of expression. On the other hand, if I started to see large numbers of previously neutral purveyors of books saying they wouldn’t carry anything that offends the church I’d criticize that. I don’t want to live under a new puritanism, even if everybody forwarding it is entirely within their rights to do so.
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jtbayly 6y ago
The news is full of articles about which libraries might be doing what with these books. If you were a Librarian and the Washington Post called to ask you whether you were going to keep circulating the books that everybody-even-the-publisher has acknowledged are racist, don’t you think you might interpret that as pressure to pull them? How about if Karen comes in and holds one of them in front of your face from the shelf and starts loudly demanding that racism not be allowed in your community any longer. Do you honestly think that won’t/hasn’t happened? https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-librarians-praise-decision-remove-111200391.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM9UCnV23DoY0AKAjOEsqcbpmSP0ibTe8n4AjvWsQZKp6LELiEyEa7sBz9nCutv0eLUTj-g3hymiwY6uS6o7fkjcg2-4hOIbgdYsEeMxIMOrxfa22S89kR75AeDoHKh1KdxeNi_XeP-AyM8jWPDxNnDQvK12-nWNTxX6lqCsSXu4 https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-librarians-praise-decisio...

this wasn't very hard https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/local-libraries-begin-removal-of-controversial-dr-seuss-books/ https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/local-libraries-begin-r... https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/canadian-libraries-reassess-dr-seuss-books-pulled-from-publication-for-racist-images-1.5332254 https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/canadian-libraries-reas... https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2021/03/02/indianapolis-public-library-consider-removing-dr-seuss-books/6884356002/ https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2021/03/02/indiana... https://www.newsday.com/long-island/dr-seuss-books-publication-1.50170821 https://www.newsday.com/long-island/dr-seuss-books-publicati...

millzlane 6y ago
Noone asked them to remove them. The library decided on their own after the publisher decided to remove them. From it's catalog.
- dabbledash 6y ago
  So, the librarians in these cases are so averse to controversial material that they remove it without even being asked?
  - scottious 6y ago
    I don't see what the problem is here? If I open a book store I'm sure as hell not going to sell Mien Kampf or white supremacist manifestos. Am I being unreasonable by standing by my values and not stocking these books? I don't think they should be banned but I also don't think I should be required to sell them. I'm sure there are plenty of Christian book stores / libraries out there who are unwilling to stock The God Delusion. And why would a LGBTQ bookstore sell LGBTQ hate propaganda? I guess this could be taken to an extreme. Maybe a library in a highly conservative town chooses to not stock anything that has a hint of left-wing ideology, and maybe they have internet filters to block any left-wing web sites, and they only put front-and-center highly right-wing books. I don't know, it's complicated.
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      Why would a christian bakery sell gay wedding cakes? The truth is, there is already plenty interference is private business, but it (seems) to not be evenly applied. If I request a library stock (or borrow) a book that I'd like to read, I don't consider political aesthetics to be a valid reason to refuse. > I'm sure there are plenty of Christian book stores / libraries out there who are unwilling to stock The God Delusion Do you mean a normal bookstore owned by Christians, or a specialist bookstore that only stocks christian literature? If the store could refuse any non-christian material (e.g. a cookbook) as well as Dawkins books, I'm not sure if that's censorship - a greengrocer can also refuse to stock The God Delusion on similarly reasonable grounds.
      - scottious 6y ago
        > Why would a christian bakery sell gay wedding cakes? I think we've decided as a society that sexual orientation is a protected group. You cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation. But I think you can still discriminate based on views of what is racist and what is not? If a white guy walks into black-owned barber shop and throws around racial slurs at the barbers, can the owners of that barber shop refuse him service and kick him out? I certainly hope so... but am I being hypocritical? Honestly I'm out of my depth here. I have opinions but I don't think my opinions are necessarily as informed as I want them to be.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        > If a white guy walks into black-owned barber shop.. What kind of example is this? Does it matter what the respective races are? How is this equivalent to the wedding-cake example? As for "sexual orientation is a protected group"; religion is also protected.
    - dabbledash 6y ago
      This specific thread is about public libraries. I definitely don’t want public librarians to see their job as an avenue for expressing their views. But for the rest of it, I get what you’re saying. I definitely want to live in a world where there are Christian booksellers selling their curated collections, and left wing revolutionary bookstores selling theirs. That only adds to diversity of expression. On the other hand, if I started to see large numbers of previously neutral purveyors of books saying they wouldn’t carry anything that offends the church I’d criticize that. I don’t want to live under a new puritanism, even if everybody forwarding it is entirely within their rights to do so.
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jtbayly 6y ago

The news is full of articles about which libraries might be doing what with these books. If you were a Librarian and the Washington Post called to ask you whether you were going to keep circulating the books that everybody-even-the-publisher has acknowledged are racist, don’t you think you might interpret that as pressure to pull them? How about if Karen comes in and holds one of them in front of your face from the shelf and starts loudly demanding that racism not be allowed in your community any longer. Do you honestly think that won’t/hasn’t happened? https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-librarians-praise-decision-remove-111200391.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM9UCnV23DoY0AKAjOEsqcbpmSP0ibTe8n4AjvWsQZKp6LELiEyEa7sBz9nCutv0eLUTj-g3hymiwY6uS6o7fkjcg2-4hOIbgdYsEeMxIMOrxfa22S89kR75AeDoHKh1KdxeNi_XeP-AyM8jWPDxNnDQvK12-nWNTxX6lqCsSXu4 https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-librarians-praise-decisio...