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Yet another example of a glib response ignoring the actual facts in the article and ironic to boot given that lithium-ion suffers from several of the flaws list
by evgen 6y ago
Yet another example of a glib response ignoring the actual facts in the article and ironic to boot given that lithium-ion suffers from several of the flaws listed. The funny thing is, none of the claims you make are correct and you miss the point where this tech is specifically designed to cover areas where Li-ion fails (like high temp and places where having a battery explode into flaming debris is a bad thing.)
- kemiller2002 6y agoI’m just curious, is there any time when having a battery explode into flaming debris a good thing? :)
- hackerbabz 6y agoA little extra kick during staging for Rocketlab :)
- m_mueller 6y agoNot if they wanna reuse though. ;)
- notretarded 6y agoIt was funny tho.
- the_duke 6y agoHumour is rarely appreciated here, but I found this funny and on point. Battery technology announcements are always extremely over hyped. Mostly by media and PR departments rather than actual scientific or domain specific outlets. Advancements happen, but even if they are technically and commercially viable, it takes years until anything becomes actually useful.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoI found it tedious. Pretty much every post about advancements in battery technology on HN have a similarly cynical post at the top. I wondered what this one would be before I clicked on the comments link.
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- TwoBit 6y agoWell maybe because the cynicism is justified. Every week there's a new battery announcement and only rarely is it not hype.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoYet look at the progress made in battery technologies over the last few decades.
- Intermernet 6y agoFunnily enough, I remember reading an article many years ago (I was about 10, so it would have been mid to late 80s) about LiPo being the next big thing, and the author making all sorts of claims about how battery technology announcements being over-hyped. You're correct, but eventually one of these announcements will live up to the promise. LiPo was basically stumbling due to a few manufacturing at scale issues at the time, and once those got solved (Sony released a standard LiPo cell in 1991) it wasn't long before it became the new standard. I'm still sceptical of new battery tech announcements, but I still get excited by them!
- GrantZvolsky 6y agoWhile the comment is funny, it is misplaced on an article that is refreshingly hype-free.
- turtlebits 6y agoThe title is full of hype.
- Qwertious 6y agoThe title is factually accurate, as no other solid-state battery has as high a capacity. Perhaps it could be better phrased to be clearer that it's "the highest of solid state batteries" and not "the highest of batteries, and also solid state".
- TwoBit 6y agoBut that's the problem with these announcements. They make one or two factual statements that seem positive but hide the downsides. A year or two from now and the downsides aren't overcome and at best they gain a small market niche.
- SiVal 6y agoI agree with you. Year after year we read about "revolutionary" battery technologies that are finally going to change the world. A laundry list of reasons why previous technologies that made the same claim ended up fizzling out is completely appropriate. Presenting the list formatted as humor instead of as a humble submission suits me just fine, because 1) I enjoy the humor, which ribs me a bit for how many times I've been fooled by announcements like these over the decades, and 2) I'm still aware that this time could be different. Probably won't be, but could be. The technology will either work out or not based on its merits, my "middlebrow" humor and skepticism notwithstanding.
- melomal 6y ago> [insert AI/ML/other tech] announcements are always extremely over hyped. Mostly by media and PR departments rather than actual scientific or domain specific outlets. Rule of thumb, if it sounds to good to be true. It probably is but the PR department needs to do something.
- matthewmacleod 6y agoBattery technology announcements are always extremely over hyped. Right, except this announcement specifically isn't. It's a short description of a new technology with targeted use-cases, which explicitly points out the ways in which it's not ready to displace existing technologies. You are correct that there is often unjustified hype around battery technology in general. But this article is absolutely not that.
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- conjectures 6y agoThis is true, the article is essentially 'cool new battery - for satellites'.
- guenthert 6y agoThe title is also misleading. It should be "World's highest specific capacity solid state battery developed developed in Japan".
- kazinator 6y agoHumor is totally appreciated here; I got more than 80 upvotes for a silly comment yesterday.
- conjectures 6y ago> Humour is rarely appreciated here, but I found this funny and on point. Yes, we just play our hyperbole with a straight bat.
- walrus01 6y agoI have two different views on new battery technology press releases. 1) "Hey, that's great, I hope it works out for them!" 2) "Can I actually pull out my visa card right now, and buy some individual units online?" Re: #2, most batteries have very little relevance to me as an end user until they're commercially available to buy. For instance the Panasonic NCR18650GA (245-250Wh/kg) li-ion, the Molicell P42A (21700 size li ion that's capable of being discharged at 45A rate with appropriate cooling), and other state of the art technology. I can go buy those right now from some reputable online stores. Until whatever other new battery shows up to actually purchase, it exists in a liminal, theoretical state only.
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoThe actual facts are that they're not mass produced and commercially available, just like all the other battery advancements that pop up a few times a year.
- okareaman 6y agoTwoBit's response is perfect because I've been hearing of battery breakthroughs on a regular basis for over 30 years. I don't even read them anymore. I'll catch up when they do actually do something notable.