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So is it also censorship that certain posts are flagged and moderated on HN? It's a hard-line stance, anything goes? Dr. Seuss Enterprises stopped printing the

• s1artibartfast 6y ago
  >So is it also censorship that certain posts are flagged and moderated on HN? Yes, it is a form of censorship. It is completely legal. people can still have an opinion if HN should engage in censorship, and if the criteria are appropriate. >Should we force them to print more of these books? Of course not!
  • m8s 6y ago
    Should HN censor or moderate posts and comments?
    • s1artibartfast 6y ago
      My opinion that they should, and the guidelines used to censor posts are reasonable. All the censorship I have seen has been to stop flamebait. I have had comments removed and in hindsight, respect the reason. I reserve the right to change my mind in the future. Similarly, I think that eBay's actions are paternalistic, heavy handed, and part of a trend I do not support. I would encourage others who feel this way to let ebay know.
    • DrSiemer 6y ago
      Should we erase the past?
      • dd36 6y ago
        Selling the past is the only way it gets remembered? A store should not have the freedom to determine what it sells?
        • DrSiemer 6y ago
          A store, yes. But when a store is as big as eBay they should only interfere very sparingly, preferably only to remove illegal products. Do you trust eBay to judge what is right and what is wrong for you? I sure as hell don't. The question above can be modified to make it reflect the current argument more accurately to: should HN censor all earlier posts and comments, based on the most recent changes in sensitivities? Edit: question above, not yours
          • dd36 6y ago
            Ebay isn’t a monopoly.
      • UncleMeat 6y ago
        This canard. After Charlottesville, the AHA put out a statement making it clear that removing confederate statues from public view was absolutely not “erasing history”. Nobody listened to them. People just kept going on about the left erasing the past. This made it clear that this was just a culture war rather than honest concern. If you are worried about erasing the past, get the opinion of some historians.
        • DrSiemer 6y ago
          Erasing the past is not the main concern here. We all know history is written by the victors. What worries me is the voluntary whitewashing and consequent suppression of alternative media by companies whose judgement is solely based on PR. A publisher choosing not to reprint works that contain questionable content is completely understandable and well within their right. Nobody is arguing they have to print these books. But when the biggest open marketplaces begin to decide what is allowed for resale, that is something else entirely. It's a slippery slope to let public outcry determine what is easily available and what is not.
          • UncleMeat 6y ago
            > Erasing the past is not the main concern here. Then why was that the entire content of your post? > We all know history is written by the victors. It isn't. All of the history professors I know cringe at this phrase.
            • DrSiemer 6y ago
              My post was a reply to someone making an equally short statement. Please don't take it out of that context.
    • read_if_gay_ 6y ago
      It’s not about whether there is a line at all. It’s about where that line should be.
  • LocalH 6y ago
    >Yes, it is a form of censorship. Flagging and moderation on HN is not censorship, because the content doesn't disappear. Am I the only one that browses HN with "showdead" enabled?
• A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  It is censorship. We give it a different name as we recognize its value from keeping low value posts at bay. Posts, however, are not books. Different rules apply. They can stop printing. But it is hard for me to defend Amazon, Ebay, et al with 'they can do what they want on their platform'.
  • m8s 6y ago
    I don't think anyone is suggesting that owning these books should be made illegal though. I am most certainly against that. But if eBay doesn't want their marketplace to be associated with transactions of content they deem inappropriate to their brand, I don't see any reason to force them to do so. If your argument is that eBay and Amazon are so critical to the fabric of the internet that special rules must apply to them, I wholeheartedly disagree.
    • A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
      I don't have a real proposal in mind and like you I do not think Amazon or Ebay are critical to the stability of the internet. I do think, however, that the current situation is no longer acceptable. I don't know whether as a society we should consider some sort of limit on influence a given company has, but that is actually what is needed. If Ebay was a corner store, I would not give half a shit that it stopped carrying Seuss. When a publicly traded company does it, it quickly becomes problematic.
      • dd36 6y ago
        This outrage over a private company having the freedom to choose what it sells feels contrived.
        • morlockabove 6y ago
          They're a publically traded monopoly marketplace with special legal protection from being sued. I would be fine with them being forced to act like what they pretend to be- a commons, a market. The freedom of a giant, monopolistic company is not aligned with the freedom of humans. We already have precedents for conpanies being forced to impartiality- utilities. Ebay's a utility, the modern large-scale version of the ground a flea market sits on.
• inglor_cz 6y ago
  Yes, moderation is censorship, but given the size of HN, it has no effect on broader freedom on the Internet. It is similar to having a drop of water leaking onto your floor. If a dominant player (Amazon, Apple) blacklists you, it is not a drop of water, it is a devastating tsunami. It is rational to concentrate on tsunamis and ignore mere drops.