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Your point is exactly the things a lot of my Hindu friends say. Freedom and prosperity are two different things. China has/had a booming economy but look at the

Your point is exactly the things a lot of my Hindu friends say. Freedom and prosperity are two different things. China has/had a booming economy but look at the way they are treating Muslims or dissent. Yes, for mainstream Hindu nationalists, this is a great time, the government is fully for them. But with all due respect spare a thought for the minorities, journalists and even comedians who are sent to jail for no reason. What about CAA etc.?

64bittechie 6y ago
Yes, please explain "What about CAA"? Have you read it? What parts of the CAA are you opposed and why?
- temp345675634 6y ago
  Classic "strawman". Miss the point and discuss some detail. From any independent point of view - CAA is simply "discrimination on the basis of religion". Also it can lead to creating a country where the government can render people "stateless" on their whim. Anyways, speaking of topics, what about "demonetisation" which was largely a failure, "freedom of press" etc. Finally, I want to live in a society where we can agree to disagree. Like with you, you have a valid opinion and I respect that, I hope you can too.
  - 64bittechie 6y ago
    So asking for specifics is a "strawman" argument? CAA is large and complex legislation. Pointing out flaws is a constructive process. I can agree to disagree with people but I would like to better understand your point of view. That was my inquiry. If you're unable to provide specifics, thats fine.
hesarenu 6y ago
There has been demand for hindus to manage their own temples. This been a right winged party has done nothing on it for last 5 years. Not even in states they are ruling. As for comedians there should be demand to remove the blasphemy laws. That would stop those hurting religious cases.
ngcc_hk 6y ago
That is the danger china posted to the world. Totalitarian pays. Let us have more of it. Suppressed minority right is ok. Let us do more of it. With the largest two or 1/2 humanity ... whatever we think about human rights will be overtaken by this crazy reality. Power is might. Prosperity is what counts. Sigh. And the top judge is either a joke as in china or ask the rapist to continue raping the kids he raped (by marrying her). Sigh. Can we have hope.
quantummkv 6y ago
It's interesting and disappointing that the CAA is bought up all the time on India related threads in HN for being something that is anti-minority, but explicitly helps persecuted minorities in neighborhood countries, like these Sikhs that faced terror attacks in Afghanistan [1]. Isn't supporting persecuted minorities with no other homeland than India something that the government of India should do? Israel does it by giving citizenship to all persecuted incoming Jews and there seem to be no complains about that so not sure why India is demonized for doing the same. Also, most of the mentions of CAA never explain exactly what is discriminatory in the law[2]. It only accelerates the citizenship process for religions that originate in India. Not sure what is discriminatory about that? [1] - https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-first-batch-of-facilitated-afghan-sikhs-to-reach-india-on-sunday-optimistic-about-citizenship-2834011 https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-first-batch-of-facilit... [2] - http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf
- temp345675634 6y ago
  Your question contains your answer - "It only accelerates the citizenship process for religions that originate in India. Not sure what is discriminatory about that?" You pick and choose which religions get an "accelerated" citizenship process (whatever that means). Also India has millions of muslims (or christians) whom you can deny citizenship because it is a "foreign" religion :)
  - ra7 6y ago
    > Also India has millions of muslims (or christians) whom you can deny citizenship because it is a "foreign" religion This sounds made up. What laws in India let them deny citizenship for minorities because it’s a “foreign” religion? Care to source one?
    - srean 6y ago
      Not officially. There are other means - holding back approvals indefinitely, using clerical errors as an excuse selectively

64bittechie 6y ago

Yes, please explain "What about CAA"? Have you read it? What parts of the CAA are you opposed and why?

temp345675634 6y ago
Classic "strawman". Miss the point and discuss some detail. From any independent point of view - CAA is simply "discrimination on the basis of religion". Also it can lead to creating a country where the government can render people "stateless" on their whim. Anyways, speaking of topics, what about "demonetisation" which was largely a failure, "freedom of press" etc. Finally, I want to live in a society where we can agree to disagree. Like with you, you have a valid opinion and I respect that, I hope you can too.
- 64bittechie 6y ago
  So asking for specifics is a "strawman" argument? CAA is large and complex legislation. Pointing out flaws is a constructive process. I can agree to disagree with people but I would like to better understand your point of view. That was my inquiry. If you're unable to provide specifics, thats fine.

hesarenu 6y ago

There has been demand for hindus to manage their own temples. This been a right winged party has done nothing on it for last 5 years. Not even in states they are ruling. As for comedians there should be demand to remove the blasphemy laws. That would stop those hurting religious cases.

ngcc_hk 6y ago

That is the danger china posted to the world. Totalitarian pays. Let us have more of it. Suppressed minority right is ok. Let us do more of it. With the largest two or 1/2 humanity ... whatever we think about human rights will be overtaken by this crazy reality. Power is might. Prosperity is what counts. Sigh. And the top judge is either a joke as in china or ask the rapist to continue raping the kids he raped (by marrying her). Sigh. Can we have hope.

quantummkv 6y ago

It's interesting and disappointing that the CAA is bought up all the time on India related threads in HN for being something that is anti-minority, but explicitly helps persecuted minorities in neighborhood countries, like these Sikhs that faced terror attacks in Afghanistan [1]. Isn't supporting persecuted minorities with no other homeland than India something that the government of India should do? Israel does it by giving citizenship to all persecuted incoming Jews and there seem to be no complains about that so not sure why India is demonized for doing the same. Also, most of the mentions of CAA never explain exactly what is discriminatory in the law[2]. It only accelerates the citizenship process for religions that originate in India. Not sure what is discriminatory about that? [1] - https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-first-batch-of-facilitated-afghan-sikhs-to-reach-india-on-sunday-optimistic-about-citizenship-2834011 https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-first-batch-of-facilit... [2] - http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2019/214646.pdf

temp345675634 6y ago
Your question contains your answer - "It only accelerates the citizenship process for religions that originate in India. Not sure what is discriminatory about that?" You pick and choose which religions get an "accelerated" citizenship process (whatever that means). Also India has millions of muslims (or christians) whom you can deny citizenship because it is a "foreign" religion :)
- ra7 6y ago
  > Also India has millions of muslims (or christians) whom you can deny citizenship because it is a "foreign" religion This sounds made up. What laws in India let them deny citizenship for minorities because it’s a “foreign” religion? Care to source one?
  - srean 6y ago
    Not officially. There are other means - holding back approvals indefinitely, using clerical errors as an excuse selectively