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Modi reminds me a lot of Tayyip Erdogan. Erdogan famously said democracy is like a train in that you get off once you've arrived at your destination. I see simi

Modi reminds me a lot of Tayyip Erdogan. Erdogan famously said democracy is like a train in that you get off once you've arrived at your destination. I see similar impulses from Modi and the BJP. I can very easily see Modi talking about how mandirs and shikharas are barracks and helmets. India is headed down a dangerous path and his perversion of Hinduism will not end well.

64bittechie 6y ago
The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government. The current ruling government has undertaken fundamental reforms that _all_ political parties have had in their manifestos but nobody has had the political will to execute on it. In fact in the past 7 years there hasn't been an single legitimate instance of corruption or scandal. If this is the dangerous path, please sign me up for more.
- noobermin 6y ago
  If you know about the history of fascism it has always had a base in a certain section of the middle class of a country aligned with some elites (as opposed to one rooted in the working class).
  - 64bittechie 6y ago
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    - dang 6y ago
      That can only lead massively off topic. Please don't take HN threads into generic political flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- md8 6y ago
  Exactly. I am suspecting that all these attacks are part of George Soros fake propaganda, which he does with every other country which doesnt listen to him. George Soros is a blood sucking leech.
  - dang 6y ago
    Yikes. Please keep flamewar comments off HN—especially classic ideological battle stuff. Also, please note the site guideline against calling names. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- temp345675634 6y ago
  Your point is exactly the things a lot of my Hindu friends say. Freedom and prosperity are two different things. China has/had a booming economy but look at the way they are treating Muslims or dissent. Yes, for mainstream Hindu nationalists, this is a great time, the government is fully for them. But with all due respect spare a thought for the minorities, journalists and even comedians who are sent to jail for no reason. What about CAA etc.?
  - 64bittechie 6y ago
    Yes, please explain "What about CAA"? Have you read it? What parts of the CAA are you opposed and why?
    - temp345675634 6y ago
      Classic "strawman". Miss the point and discuss some detail. From any independent point of view - CAA is simply "discrimination on the basis of religion". Also it can lead to creating a country where the government can render people "stateless" on their whim. Anyways, speaking of topics, what about "demonetisation" which was largely a failure, "freedom of press" etc. Finally, I want to live in a society where we can agree to disagree. Like with you, you have a valid opinion and I respect that, I hope you can too.
      - 64bittechie 6y ago
        So asking for specifics is a "strawman" argument? CAA is large and complex legislation. Pointing out flaws is a constructive process. I can agree to disagree with people but I would like to better understand your point of view. That was my inquiry. If you're unable to provide specifics, thats fine.
  - hesarenu 6y ago
    There has been demand for hindus to manage their own temples. This been a right winged party has done nothing on it for last 5 years. Not even in states they are ruling. As for comedians there should be demand to remove the blasphemy laws. That would stop those hurting religious cases.
- nkskalyan 6y ago
  "The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government." -> Do you have any proof for this? I have been for greater part of the 1st Modi regime. It was mostly a shitshow with Demonetisation.
- ecnerwala 6y ago
  "The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government." - Based on what metrics?
  - random314 6y ago
    India's GDP growth rate is not negative. Hence... Talking about middle class incomes is a total red herring. These are fairly typical diversionary tactics, to move the conversation from an uncomfortable topic such as fascism and human rights violations to more mundane discussions about economic metrics. If you have been in a couple of these discussions you will learn to avoid these diversionary traps :)
- random314 6y ago
  This is another way of saying that India does not have a negative GDP growth rate (covid19 excepted). Independent India has actually never had a negative growth rate ever, until 2020. This also ignores 3 fundamental facts 1. The middle class of India is a minority. The majority of India is lower class. 2. The growth rate has been declining ever since Modi has assumed power. 3. The current discussion is about fascism, suspension of habeas corpud, human rights violations and the usurpation of power from independent branches like the judiciary, election commission, enforcement directorate etc. - not the middle class income profile. Germany was also prosperous under Hitler.
- vijaybritto 6y ago
  Can you please cite with examples of growth in the past 7 years with comparison to the previous govt? This govt has been a failure in an astounding scale and the numbers confirm them. I'm not getting what you mean by "never been more prosperous"
- sifar 6y ago
  >> The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government Have you looked at the interest rates ? The government is crushing the very same middle class savers/pensioners who have supported them ardently. And the funny thing is they still continue to do so. This irony is lost on everybody.
- postingawayonhn 6y ago
  > The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government. It would be pretty worrying if they weren't.
neophyt3 6y ago
problem is not with BJP, its with opposition party who are using violence to put their point... India have too many many many many people who dont pay taxes at all and bjp is hurting them. I still don't understand why HN is turning into propaganda forum
- arn4v 6y ago
  > its with opposition party who are using violence to put their point. Care to provide sources for this?

64bittechie 6y ago

The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government. The current ruling government has undertaken fundamental reforms that _all_ political parties have had in their manifestos but nobody has had the political will to execute on it. In fact in the past 7 years there hasn't been an single legitimate instance of corruption or scandal. If this is the dangerous path, please sign me up for more.

noobermin 6y ago
If you know about the history of fascism it has always had a base in a certain section of the middle class of a country aligned with some elites (as opposed to one rooted in the working class).
- 64bittechie 6y ago
  [deleted]
  - dang 6y ago
    That can only lead massively off topic. Please don't take HN threads into generic political flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
md8 6y ago
Exactly. I am suspecting that all these attacks are part of George Soros fake propaganda, which he does with every other country which doesnt listen to him. George Soros is a blood sucking leech.
- dang 6y ago
  Yikes. Please keep flamewar comments off HN—especially classic ideological battle stuff. Also, please note the site guideline against calling names. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
temp345675634 6y ago
Your point is exactly the things a lot of my Hindu friends say. Freedom and prosperity are two different things. China has/had a booming economy but look at the way they are treating Muslims or dissent. Yes, for mainstream Hindu nationalists, this is a great time, the government is fully for them. But with all due respect spare a thought for the minorities, journalists and even comedians who are sent to jail for no reason. What about CAA etc.?
- 64bittechie 6y ago
  Yes, please explain "What about CAA"? Have you read it? What parts of the CAA are you opposed and why?
  - temp345675634 6y ago
    Classic "strawman". Miss the point and discuss some detail. From any independent point of view - CAA is simply "discrimination on the basis of religion". Also it can lead to creating a country where the government can render people "stateless" on their whim. Anyways, speaking of topics, what about "demonetisation" which was largely a failure, "freedom of press" etc. Finally, I want to live in a society where we can agree to disagree. Like with you, you have a valid opinion and I respect that, I hope you can too.
    - 64bittechie 6y ago
      So asking for specifics is a "strawman" argument? CAA is large and complex legislation. Pointing out flaws is a constructive process. I can agree to disagree with people but I would like to better understand your point of view. That was my inquiry. If you're unable to provide specifics, thats fine.
- hesarenu 6y ago
  There has been demand for hindus to manage their own temples. This been a right winged party has done nothing on it for last 5 years. Not even in states they are ruling. As for comedians there should be demand to remove the blasphemy laws. That would stop those hurting religious cases.
nkskalyan 6y ago
"The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government." -> Do you have any proof for this? I have been for greater part of the 1st Modi regime. It was mostly a shitshow with Demonetisation.
ecnerwala 6y ago
"The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government." - Based on what metrics?
- random314 6y ago
  India's GDP growth rate is not negative. Hence... Talking about middle class incomes is a total red herring. These are fairly typical diversionary tactics, to move the conversation from an uncomfortable topic such as fascism and human rights violations to more mundane discussions about economic metrics. If you have been in a couple of these discussions you will learn to avoid these diversionary traps :)
random314 6y ago
This is another way of saying that India does not have a negative GDP growth rate (covid19 excepted). Independent India has actually never had a negative growth rate ever, until 2020. This also ignores 3 fundamental facts 1. The middle class of India is a minority. The majority of India is lower class. 2. The growth rate has been declining ever since Modi has assumed power. 3. The current discussion is about fascism, suspension of habeas corpud, human rights violations and the usurpation of power from independent branches like the judiciary, election commission, enforcement directorate etc. - not the middle class income profile. Germany was also prosperous under Hitler.
vijaybritto 6y ago
Can you please cite with examples of growth in the past 7 years with comparison to the previous govt? This govt has been a failure in an astounding scale and the numbers confirm them. I'm not getting what you mean by "never been more prosperous"
sifar 6y ago
>> The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government Have you looked at the interest rates ? The government is crushing the very same middle class savers/pensioners who have supported them ardently. And the funny thing is they still continue to do so. This irony is lost on everybody.
postingawayonhn 6y ago
> The Indian middle class has never been more prosperous under any other government. It would be pretty worrying if they weren't.

neophyt3 6y ago

problem is not with BJP, its with opposition party who are using violence to put their point... India have too many many many many people who dont pay taxes at all and bjp is hurting them. I still don't understand why HN is turning into propaganda forum

arn4v 6y ago
> its with opposition party who are using violence to put their point. Care to provide sources for this?