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> Is 100 units really a "production car"? I don't agree. Considering you couldn't even get into Group B rally homoligation with those numbers (200) in the 80s,

> Is 100 units really a "production car"? I don't agree. Considering you couldn't even get into Group B rally homoligation with those numbers (200) in the 80s, or Dakar race spec production (2500) in 90-2000s I don't think it is, either. > It’s possible they are selling these at a loss to seed or whet the market. If it takes off then maybe it will reappear at a profitable price. Exactly. It seems more like a mass produced prototype, or a proper limited edition model and if I'm honest this looks exactly like an Accord/Insight with all the JDM goodies we don't get in the West. But this is about marketing. I wish them well, Honda (auto) has a ton of muck in their face due to their failure to, once again, make any inroads in Formula 1 after their epic success with Mclaren in the 80s--this last time around was so hard to watch, and the mere utterance of 'GP2 engine' will live in infamy forever. Which it's raison d'être to trickle down it's production car, but with V6 turbos and KERS systems pretty much maxed they need something like this to justify their R/D budgets. I'm not sure how to feel about it, to be honest: had this been on an limited edition EV insight it would definitely be a step in the right direction. Whereas this will fall into obscurity as more manufacturers move to EV.

ohgodplsno 6y ago
> you couldn't even get into Group B rally homoligation with those numbers (200) Unless your name is Lancia and you move 100 cars from one parking spot to the other while you're treating the officials to a lunch with loooots of wine.
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > Unless your name is Lancia and you move 100 cars from one parking spot to the other while you're treating the officials to a lunch with loooots of wine. I really wish Clarkson would do more of these kind of stories, the trio would be the ideal team to make a docu-series for the Motorex and GTR fiasco! It's such an insane story that I cannot believe they're on the 100th version of Fast and Furious but we have not seen this story be told. Having lived through it myself, I was in the early drifting community in SoCal back in 2002 and a regular on Fresh Alloy/NICO since 2000. I even saw a few of those cars that got sold at the old meetups at Life Plaza before the canyon runs, the Bee*R rev limit kits on those R chassis [0] were so absurd back then when they first came out, they sounded like the meanest rally cars. My memory is fuzzy after all these years, and I can't remember if it was big bird, or black bird but we saw it being tuned on the freeway in LA doing high speed wangan runs and the helicopters may or may not have showed up, good times. I'm going to miss the ICE days because of this, but... they're dinosaurs and we can always tell the story from the glory days. I'm just glad I was born when I was, because I think that is a culture that has since peaked and is now on a very sad descent, other than Tesla and Rimac I don't see anyone even trying to make EV cars be anything more than a soulless utilitarian computer enclosure with wheels to get you to point A to B. 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_pUReXK3zM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_pUReXK3zM

ohgodplsno 6y ago

> you couldn't even get into Group B rally homoligation with those numbers (200) Unless your name is Lancia and you move 100 cars from one parking spot to the other while you're treating the officials to a lunch with loooots of wine.

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Unless your name is Lancia and you move 100 cars from one parking spot to the other while you're treating the officials to a lunch with loooots of wine. I really wish Clarkson would do more of these kind of stories, the trio would be the ideal team to make a docu-series for the Motorex and GTR fiasco! It's such an insane story that I cannot believe they're on the 100th version of Fast and Furious but we have not seen this story be told. Having lived through it myself, I was in the early drifting community in SoCal back in 2002 and a regular on Fresh Alloy/NICO since 2000. I even saw a few of those cars that got sold at the old meetups at Life Plaza before the canyon runs, the Bee*R rev limit kits on those R chassis [0] were so absurd back then when they first came out, they sounded like the meanest rally cars. My memory is fuzzy after all these years, and I can't remember if it was big bird, or black bird but we saw it being tuned on the freeway in LA doing high speed wangan runs and the helicopters may or may not have showed up, good times. I'm going to miss the ICE days because of this, but... they're dinosaurs and we can always tell the story from the glory days. I'm just glad I was born when I was, because I think that is a culture that has since peaked and is now on a very sad descent, other than Tesla and Rimac I don't see anyone even trying to make EV cars be anything more than a soulless utilitarian computer enclosure with wheels to get you to point A to B. 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_pUReXK3zM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_pUReXK3zM