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We had a politician say "amen and awomen” not too long ago. And he’s ordained in some fashion. We all want off this crazy ride.

by Glide 6y ago

ncallaway 6y ago
It was a joke. It's so weird for me to see people complaining about hypersensitivity get so up in arms about a pun. I just find it so hilariously hypocritical for the crowds that constantly complain about the over-policing of speech to find a light-hearted pun to be so dastardly offensive. To each their own I guess, but a simple pun doesn't feel like the biggest threat we face...
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  It's weird for me to imagine people who would be outraged about a joke that played on, for example, a racial stereotype, using "It was a joke." as a defence. Perhaps you're not such a person, and are not speaking on behalf of such people, but I think that saying "It was a joke." doesn't really address the issue that some people's offensive speech is being silenced, while others' is being celebrated.
  - ncallaway 6y ago
    I think some jokes can be offensive and other jokes can be not offensive at all. I think that's a subjective call that we all make on a case by case basis. I think people are well within their rights to tell jokes, and I think others are well within their rights to criticize jokes that they find offensive. I think if people want to play in the marketplace of ideas, they should wear a helmet because nothing says the marketplace of ideas has to be welcome to any given idea. If you tell a joke, then don't be surprised when people react to your joke. I also didn't see _any_ criticism that the pastor's joke was offensive. I didn't see any public figures indicating that they were offended by the joke. I just saw people calling him insane, a moron, and an idiot for not knowing that "amen" didn't refer to a singular male person.
    - dane-pgp 6y ago
      > I also didn't see _any_ criticism that the pastor's joke was offensive. As the article[0] that you linked in another comment made clear in its title: "Some were offended". (Strangely the headline of the article is different from the title, but I think the title is still accurate). [0] https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article248266055.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the...
      - ncallaway 6y ago
        While the article's HTML title does claim some were "offended", neither the headline nor the body of the article included the word "offended", or "offense". There's not a single quote or statement in that article from a person saying that they found it offensive. I need a source slightly stronger than the title element of an article that is entirely unsupported to be convinced that there were people offended. All that being said, I would take more seriously the concerns of someone who was deeply religious that said they found it offensive to make a flippant joke during a prayer than I would the concerns of people who called him a moron for not getting the joke. I still haven't seen anyone say they were offended by the joke, though.
        dane-pgp 6y ago
        I don't know why you think the journalist just made up their conclusion, but here are a few examples of people finding it insulting / offensive: "The idea of throwing in a pun, though not a federal crime, is poor form at best and can be viewed as flippant and insulting."[0] "He has singularly demonstrated the ability to offend everyone possible while reciting what he deemed to be a politically correct prayer calling for unity."[1] "many are offended on behalf of their politics. ... Instead, let’s be offended and furious on behalf of our God."[2] I personally think that undermining religious language and activities like prayer, by deliberately misinterpreting and butchering words, is offensive in the same way that burning a flag is (even though I don't think that should be illegal either). [0] https://www.dailyregister.com/lifestyle/20210113/david-otten-the-problem-with-attempting-a-politically-correct-prayer https://www.dailyregister.com/lifestyle/20210113/david-otten... [1] https://standard-democrat.com/story/2858446.html https://standard-democrat.com/story/2858446.html [2] https://onwardinthefaith.com/amen-and-a-woman-a-biblical-perspective/ https://onwardinthefaith.com/amen-and-a-woman-a-biblical-per...
- ekianjo 6y ago
  Where was it a joke? A source for this please?
  - ncallaway 6y ago
    Some sources: - https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article248266055.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the... - https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2021/jan/10/growing-old-ungracefully-amen-awomen/ https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2021/jan/10/growing-old-ungrace... > “I concluded with a lighthearted pun in recognition of the record number of women who will be representing the American people in Congress during this term as well as in recognition of the first female Chaplain of the House of Representatives whose service commenced this week,” said Cleaver, who led the search committee that selected Grun Kibben, the former chief chaplain of the Navy, for the role. > “I personally find these historic occasions to be blessings from God for which I am grateful.”

We had a politician say "amen and awomen” not too long ago. And he’s ordained in some fashion. We all want off this crazy ride.

by Glide 6y ago

We had a politician say "amen and awomen” not too long ago. And he’s ordained in some fashion. We all want off this crazy ride.

ncallaway 6y ago

It was a joke. It's so weird for me to see people complaining about hypersensitivity get so up in arms about a pun. I just find it so hilariously hypocritical for the crowds that constantly complain about the over-policing of speech to find a light-hearted pun to be so dastardly offensive. To each their own I guess, but a simple pun doesn't feel like the biggest threat we face...

dane-pgp 6y ago
It's weird for me to imagine people who would be outraged about a joke that played on, for example, a racial stereotype, using "It was a joke." as a defence. Perhaps you're not such a person, and are not speaking on behalf of such people, but I think that saying "It was a joke." doesn't really address the issue that some people's offensive speech is being silenced, while others' is being celebrated.
- ncallaway 6y ago
  I think some jokes can be offensive and other jokes can be not offensive at all. I think that's a subjective call that we all make on a case by case basis. I think people are well within their rights to tell jokes, and I think others are well within their rights to criticize jokes that they find offensive. I think if people want to play in the marketplace of ideas, they should wear a helmet because nothing says the marketplace of ideas has to be welcome to any given idea. If you tell a joke, then don't be surprised when people react to your joke. I also didn't see _any_ criticism that the pastor's joke was offensive. I didn't see any public figures indicating that they were offended by the joke. I just saw people calling him insane, a moron, and an idiot for not knowing that "amen" didn't refer to a singular male person.
  - dane-pgp 6y ago
    > I also didn't see _any_ criticism that the pastor's joke was offensive. As the article[0] that you linked in another comment made clear in its title: "Some were offended". (Strangely the headline of the article is different from the title, but I think the title is still accurate). [0] https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article248266055.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the...
    - ncallaway 6y ago
      While the article's HTML title does claim some were "offended", neither the headline nor the body of the article included the word "offended", or "offense". There's not a single quote or statement in that article from a person saying that they found it offensive. I need a source slightly stronger than the title element of an article that is entirely unsupported to be convinced that there were people offended. All that being said, I would take more seriously the concerns of someone who was deeply religious that said they found it offensive to make a flippant joke during a prayer than I would the concerns of people who called him a moron for not getting the joke. I still haven't seen anyone say they were offended by the joke, though.
      - dane-pgp 6y ago
        I don't know why you think the journalist just made up their conclusion, but here are a few examples of people finding it insulting / offensive: "The idea of throwing in a pun, though not a federal crime, is poor form at best and can be viewed as flippant and insulting."[0] "He has singularly demonstrated the ability to offend everyone possible while reciting what he deemed to be a politically correct prayer calling for unity."[1] "many are offended on behalf of their politics. ... Instead, let’s be offended and furious on behalf of our God."[2] I personally think that undermining religious language and activities like prayer, by deliberately misinterpreting and butchering words, is offensive in the same way that burning a flag is (even though I don't think that should be illegal either). [0] https://www.dailyregister.com/lifestyle/20210113/david-otten-the-problem-with-attempting-a-politically-correct-prayer https://www.dailyregister.com/lifestyle/20210113/david-otten... [1] https://standard-democrat.com/story/2858446.html https://standard-democrat.com/story/2858446.html [2] https://onwardinthefaith.com/amen-and-a-woman-a-biblical-perspective/ https://onwardinthefaith.com/amen-and-a-woman-a-biblical-per...
ekianjo 6y ago
Where was it a joke? A source for this please?
- ncallaway 6y ago
  Some sources: - https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article248266055.html https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the... - https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2021/jan/10/growing-old-ungracefully-amen-awomen/ https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2021/jan/10/growing-old-ungrace... > “I concluded with a lighthearted pun in recognition of the record number of women who will be representing the American people in Congress during this term as well as in recognition of the first female Chaplain of the House of Representatives whose service commenced this week,” said Cleaver, who led the search committee that selected Grun Kibben, the former chief chaplain of the Navy, for the role. > “I personally find these historic occasions to be blessings from God for which I am grateful.”