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You miss my point. Darkness does not cost energy. You can't stand in sunlight 24/7, neither can a tree. Everyone puts a different personalized value on things.

You miss my point. Darkness does not cost energy. You can't stand in sunlight 24/7, neither can a tree. Everyone puts a different personalized value on things. You are able to sleep at night because the light is not there.

neonological 6y ago
You miss my point. Every action even in darkness requires energy expense. Including sleeping at night. A product is either limited by an actual concrete supply or if the product is abstract it is limited by energy. When you trace the origin of everything back all the way to inception you will find a limit.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  And that limit is do insanely high that to consider that a limit is not useful for anything except pedantry.
  - neonological 6y ago
    The air you breath is limited but the limit is so insanely high you don't have to pay a dime for it. You pay for energy. So just how high is the limit practically speaking? Think about it. It'd be pedantry if I argued with you over oxygen, but Energy is nowhere near as seemingly limitless as oxygen.
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  So what is the origin and why did it result in the beauty that is the universe? Surely it could have kept all that energy for itself. Keep in mind this conversation began because someone said "America has won too much".
  - neonological 6y ago
    I didn’t read that. I was simply responding to the someone saying the economy was not zero sum and saying that, that specific statement is categorically wrong. The origin of energy in the universe is not known and the beauty of the universe is your opinion and not relevant to this conversation. There are several things about energy that are always true as far as we know: 1. We cannot created or destroy it. 2. There seems to be a fixed amount of energy in the universe. 3. As energy rises in entropy either through inevitably or usage it becomes unusable to us. You can heat your room with a heater but you can never recapture that heat to reheat your room again. Therefore “available energy” is limited. All of my statements can be derived from the “axioms” above. Concepts like beauty or the origin of energy is not derivable from anything we currently know.
    - unityByFreedom 6y ago
      > I didn’t read that. Context is relevant.
      - neonological 6y ago
        Not in this case. I'm right. You're wrong. Context doesn't effect the outcome.

neonological 6y ago

You miss my point. Every action even in darkness requires energy expense. Including sleeping at night. A product is either limited by an actual concrete supply or if the product is abstract it is limited by energy. When you trace the origin of everything back all the way to inception you will find a limit.

jjeaff 6y ago
And that limit is do insanely high that to consider that a limit is not useful for anything except pedantry.
- neonological 6y ago
  The air you breath is limited but the limit is so insanely high you don't have to pay a dime for it. You pay for energy. So just how high is the limit practically speaking? Think about it. It'd be pedantry if I argued with you over oxygen, but Energy is nowhere near as seemingly limitless as oxygen.
unityByFreedom 6y ago
So what is the origin and why did it result in the beauty that is the universe? Surely it could have kept all that energy for itself. Keep in mind this conversation began because someone said "America has won too much".
- neonological 6y ago
  I didn’t read that. I was simply responding to the someone saying the economy was not zero sum and saying that, that specific statement is categorically wrong. The origin of energy in the universe is not known and the beauty of the universe is your opinion and not relevant to this conversation. There are several things about energy that are always true as far as we know: 1. We cannot created or destroy it. 2. There seems to be a fixed amount of energy in the universe. 3. As energy rises in entropy either through inevitably or usage it becomes unusable to us. You can heat your room with a heater but you can never recapture that heat to reheat your room again. Therefore “available energy” is limited. All of my statements can be derived from the “axioms” above. Concepts like beauty or the origin of energy is not derivable from anything we currently know.
  - unityByFreedom 6y ago
    > I didn’t read that. Context is relevant.
    - neonological 6y ago
      Not in this case. I'm right. You're wrong. Context doesn't effect the outcome.