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Confusing..Honda wants (ie specifically suggests) you to watch a DVD (???) while also asking you to pay complete attention to your surroundings. Not sure this

Confusing..Honda wants (ie specifically suggests) you to watch a DVD (???) while also asking you to pay complete attention to your surroundings. Not sure this messaging is safe, much less the car itself.

Danieru 6y ago
> while also asking you to pay complete attention to your surroundings No. That is the true benefit of Level3: you do not need to pay attention. The car is paying attention and will notify you when you must retake control. Tesla's Level2 "autopilot" will not tell you before it drives into a wall. Tesla Drivers must constantly watch the road and ask themselves "Do I think my car is trying to kill me?". When they think "Yeah, my car appears to be trying to drive under that parked semi-truck. I don't we fit, I better take over". Meanwhile Honda's level3 will say: "Please take over. I see a semi-truck and I don't think we'll fit."
- cryptoz 6y ago
  Sorry, that doesn't make sense to me nor does it square with the direct Honda quotes from the article. > "There is a limit to the capabilities (e.g. recognition capability and control capability) of individual functions of Honda Sensing Elite," reads an official statement. "Please do not overestimate the capabilities of each Honda Sensing Elite function and drive safely while paying constant attention to your surroundings. Please remain in condition where you can respond to the handover request issued by the system, and immediately resume driving upon the handover request." You cannot be watching a DVD and then immediately resume driving at request. It is not humanly possible in my opinion. There is a critical context-switching time that even the best of people will be slow to handle. I'll admit I don't understand the L2/L3 difference - and maybe that is part of the messaging and the problem. Your demeaning quotes about Tesla drivers seem to fit 100% with how Honda wants you to behave in their car. They are telling you the system could fail and you need to be ready. But you can't "be ready" without already being ready - if you have to 'get ready' by quickly stopping your attention to the DVD and changing to the road, it may be too late.
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- throwawayboise 6y ago
  L2: If you're not paying attention, you'll run into the semi and be dead before you even know it. L3: Your car will warn you and you'll have enough time to look up, realize what is happening, and say "oh shit"
ben_bai 6y ago
It lets you watch a movie in "traffic jam mode" so when the vehicle is stopped or moving slowly because of heavy traffic. As soon as it's moving faster you are not allowed to watch a movie b.c. you need to watch the road. Edit: it's a joke. LVL3 no way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBwmFbpNCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBwmFbpNCA

Danieru 6y ago

> while also asking you to pay complete attention to your surroundings No. That is the true benefit of Level3: you do not need to pay attention. The car is paying attention and will notify you when you must retake control. Tesla's Level2 "autopilot" will not tell you before it drives into a wall. Tesla Drivers must constantly watch the road and ask themselves "Do I think my car is trying to kill me?". When they think "Yeah, my car appears to be trying to drive under that parked semi-truck. I don't we fit, I better take over". Meanwhile Honda's level3 will say: "Please take over. I see a semi-truck and I don't think we'll fit."

cryptoz 6y ago
Sorry, that doesn't make sense to me nor does it square with the direct Honda quotes from the article. > "There is a limit to the capabilities (e.g. recognition capability and control capability) of individual functions of Honda Sensing Elite," reads an official statement. "Please do not overestimate the capabilities of each Honda Sensing Elite function and drive safely while paying constant attention to your surroundings. Please remain in condition where you can respond to the handover request issued by the system, and immediately resume driving upon the handover request." You cannot be watching a DVD and then immediately resume driving at request. It is not humanly possible in my opinion. There is a critical context-switching time that even the best of people will be slow to handle. I'll admit I don't understand the L2/L3 difference - and maybe that is part of the messaging and the problem. Your demeaning quotes about Tesla drivers seem to fit 100% with how Honda wants you to behave in their car. They are telling you the system could fail and you need to be ready. But you can't "be ready" without already being ready - if you have to 'get ready' by quickly stopping your attention to the DVD and changing to the road, it may be too late.
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throwawayboise 6y ago
L2: If you're not paying attention, you'll run into the semi and be dead before you even know it. L3: Your car will warn you and you'll have enough time to look up, realize what is happening, and say "oh shit"

ben_bai 6y ago

It lets you watch a movie in "traffic jam mode" so when the vehicle is stopped or moving slowly because of heavy traffic. As soon as it's moving faster you are not allowed to watch a movie b.c. you need to watch the road. Edit: it's a joke. LVL3 no way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBwmFbpNCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hBwmFbpNCA