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Agreed. My brother in law's dad got COVID. He had heart surgery before. They had him on blood thinners for some time and his doctor said that it was a very real

Agreed. My brother in law's dad got COVID. He had heart surgery before. They had him on blood thinners for some time and his doctor said that it was a very real possibility that it saved his life as he was already on something they would have probably prescribed to him. He's in his 60s. Will he experience long term effects? Who knows. I'm starting to get invited to meet in person for business and some are like "I get tested every week". And I just say sorry I don't make exceptions. I live with someone with a rare respiratory condition. A weekly test - what does that even tell me anyway? I know you're running your business and have employees coming in. Everything is much easier with data. But when there is still so much to learn everyone weighs their risks differently. Many of us here are extremely fortunate and can afford to pay for delivery and stay home. So we need to understand that some people's perspective IS a real calculated risk tolerance. If we can get data to understand long term effects, that will help with educating those that are really only weighing the risk of them dying.

sneak 6y ago
> I'm starting to get invited to meet in person for business and some are like "I get tested every week". And I just say sorry I don't make exceptions. Make a list now, so that you remember who the idiots are after everyone is vaccinated. I've already had to re-plan my reintroduction to retail after finding out a few of my preferred shops weren't obeying mask mandates, or in one case actively flouting them. It will be easy to forget and put it all behind us. Don't. We're lucky to receive such useful side-channel data.
- vmception 6y ago
  I've actually been thinking about doing this. Because its the same people that have moved the goal post to new forms of idiocy after their various "it doesn't exist" "its just the flu" "nothing you can do to stop it anyways" "5G over the air microchips" "dna-rewriting vaccines" ideas fell apart and were just led to other wacky ideas.
  - sneak 6y ago
    https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-endemic-mindset/ https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-endemic-mindset/
- AYBABTME 6y ago
  Retribution, vengeance and holding grudges isn't how we're going to build a stronger society. I think we all need to practice forgiving the people, no matter how awful they've been, are, or will be. Don't get me wrong, I'm enraged at the lunacy of some. But I don't think we're going to be better off in aggregate by insisting on payback.
  - sneak 6y ago
    It has nothing to do with any of the things you listed, maybe you're projecting. It's not retribution to avoid someone, nor is it vengeful to shop somewhere else. I have for years had a big list of people, companies, and other organizations I wish to actively avoid. The pandemic just gave me higher resolution on the "undefined" set of humans and organizations. I already avoid racists, extreme partisans, assholes, anti-science types, people who are mean to waitstaff, people who don't read books, et c. Covid gave me a few more categories.
    - throwawayboise 6y ago
      Sounds like a recipe to end up alone.
      - sneak 6y ago
        That hasn't been the case so far, and, in my experience, my overall quality of social interactions has gone up drastically since I adopted my current approach. Perhaps there are false positives; I am willing to take that risk for the immense benefits so far.
      - edgyquant 6y ago
        Everything they said sounded pretty reasonable to me, I also keep away from people who fall into all of those categories
    - darkerside 6y ago
      The funny thing about burning bridges is that you don't know that you burned too many until it's too late.
vmception 6y ago
> "I get tested every week" right, yeah that doesn't tell you anything, it tells that person whether they need to quarantine for an additional week and is only useful if they hadn't seen anyone the prior 7 days. I hear many quips like "I already had it last year" or still even people that think their one test once says they were negative and thats that. The crazy thing, the crazy thing, is that these aren't even the people that don't understand thermodynamics and think seeing hot breath in front of a mask proves that masks offer no protection effective against covid aerosols.
- EliRivers 6y ago
  I hear many quips like "I already had it last year" Oh right. So we know for a FACT that you were exposed, and became a carrier and probably a spreader; maybe by bad luck and unfortunate circumstances, maybe by being a bloody idiot. But NOW you're even MORE blasé about it, because you feel invulnerable, so you're going to be engaging in MORE risky behaviour regarding an illness that we know people can have repeated bouts of ("catch" more than once). Thanks for letting me know, I guess. Video call it is.
  - vmception 6y ago
    spot on

sneak 6y ago

> I'm starting to get invited to meet in person for business and some are like "I get tested every week". And I just say sorry I don't make exceptions. Make a list now, so that you remember who the idiots are after everyone is vaccinated. I've already had to re-plan my reintroduction to retail after finding out a few of my preferred shops weren't obeying mask mandates, or in one case actively flouting them. It will be easy to forget and put it all behind us. Don't. We're lucky to receive such useful side-channel data.

vmception 6y ago
I've actually been thinking about doing this. Because its the same people that have moved the goal post to new forms of idiocy after their various "it doesn't exist" "its just the flu" "nothing you can do to stop it anyways" "5G over the air microchips" "dna-rewriting vaccines" ideas fell apart and were just led to other wacky ideas.
- sneak 6y ago
  https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-endemic-mindset/ https://www.epsilontheory.com/the-endemic-mindset/
AYBABTME 6y ago
Retribution, vengeance and holding grudges isn't how we're going to build a stronger society. I think we all need to practice forgiving the people, no matter how awful they've been, are, or will be. Don't get me wrong, I'm enraged at the lunacy of some. But I don't think we're going to be better off in aggregate by insisting on payback.
- sneak 6y ago
  It has nothing to do with any of the things you listed, maybe you're projecting. It's not retribution to avoid someone, nor is it vengeful to shop somewhere else. I have for years had a big list of people, companies, and other organizations I wish to actively avoid. The pandemic just gave me higher resolution on the "undefined" set of humans and organizations. I already avoid racists, extreme partisans, assholes, anti-science types, people who are mean to waitstaff, people who don't read books, et c. Covid gave me a few more categories.
  - throwawayboise 6y ago
    Sounds like a recipe to end up alone.
    - sneak 6y ago
      That hasn't been the case so far, and, in my experience, my overall quality of social interactions has gone up drastically since I adopted my current approach. Perhaps there are false positives; I am willing to take that risk for the immense benefits so far.
    - edgyquant 6y ago
      Everything they said sounded pretty reasonable to me, I also keep away from people who fall into all of those categories
  - darkerside 6y ago
    The funny thing about burning bridges is that you don't know that you burned too many until it's too late.

vmception 6y ago

> "I get tested every week" right, yeah that doesn't tell you anything, it tells that person whether they need to quarantine for an additional week and is only useful if they hadn't seen anyone the prior 7 days. I hear many quips like "I already had it last year" or still even people that think their one test once says they were negative and thats that. The crazy thing, the crazy thing, is that these aren't even the people that don't understand thermodynamics and think seeing hot breath in front of a mask proves that masks offer no protection effective against covid aerosols.

EliRivers 6y ago
I hear many quips like "I already had it last year" Oh right. So we know for a FACT that you were exposed, and became a carrier and probably a spreader; maybe by bad luck and unfortunate circumstances, maybe by being a bloody idiot. But NOW you're even MORE blasé about it, because you feel invulnerable, so you're going to be engaging in MORE risky behaviour regarding an illness that we know people can have repeated bouts of ("catch" more than once). Thanks for letting me know, I guess. Video call it is.
- vmception 6y ago
  spot on