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Can you expand? I don't know enough about the cultural revolution to make the connection.

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vimy 6y ago
https://imgur.com/a/jd9JL9x https://imgur.com/a/jd9JL9x The struggle sessions are the most visible part. In the American cultural revolution they are mainly online (for now). What's a struggle session? Think of all those fake apologies after someone did something perfectly ok but the mob goes after them. > In the struggle sessions the accused, often teachers suspected of lacking proletarian feeling, were paraded through streets and campuses, sometimes stadiums. It was important always to have a jeering crowd; it was important that the electric feeling that comes with the possibility of murder be present. Dunce caps, sometimes wastebaskets, were placed on the victims’ heads, and placards stipulating their crimes hung from their necks. The victims were accused, berated, assaulted. Many falsely confessed in the vain hope of mercy. Were any “guilty”? It hardly mattered. Fear and terror were the point. A destroyed society is more easily dominated. https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346 https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... Edit: The goal is to replace enlightenment values with critical race theory. > Critical Race Theory presents a radically different view of our society and of us than most of us recognize or accept. They begin with the assumption of racism and look to find it. They say everyone who doesn’t do this is complicit in the problem, including just for disagreeing with Critical Race Theory. And they reject the fundamental liberal, reasonable, legal, and scientific principles upon which liberal societies operate. https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theory/ https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theo... An example of critical race theory in action: https://twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044?s=20 https://twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044?s=2... Or this page from the African-American History Museum: https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/926/d5f/a334baf0d43cd480b3ea93582d7e80f8dc-white-culture.2x.w710.jpg https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/926/d5f/a334baf0d43cd480b3ea...
- claudiawerner 6y ago
  >And they reject the fundamental liberal, reasonable, legal, and scientific principles upon which liberal societies operate. Is this a crime in itself? Do we really need to cancel academics over rejecting something because they find it logically or practically wrong? Isn't it a bit of a word-game to to identify liberalism with 'reasonable'? The whole statement seems to start from the presumption that liberalism is reasonable. I can think of many arguments stipulating that it's not. As it turns out, describing your ideology (in this case liberalism) as inherently and unquestionably 'reasonable' isn't a particularly strong way to go about defending that ideology. A Communist or a Nazi could easily say the same thing about their own ideology.
  - waterhouse 6y ago
    > Is this a crime in itself? Do we really need to cancel academics over rejecting something because they find it logically or practically wrong? The problem isn't "these academics aren't being canceled for their ideas"; nowhere did GP say such a thing. The problem is "these academics, and people animated by the ideas they expound, have gotten power and are using it to implement their ideas, which is eroding fundamental principles of liberalism (like tolerance of dissent) and this seems really terrible".
    - claudiawerner 6y ago
      >"these academics, and people animated by the ideas they expound, have gotten power and are using it to implement their ideas, which is eroding fundamental principles of liberalism (like tolerance of dissent) and this seems really terrible". This seems so ironic to me. Liberals, then, out of all people, should at least tolerate the dissent of people who don't agree with it. Further, in the interest of argumentation and creating a better society (in whatever metric that may be), we should listen to the arguments and criticisms against liberalism. That's not 'really terrible' by any stretch. If your ideology can't stand up to such criticism, it's likely deficient in some way. We've rejected fundamental principles of societies in the past, whether slave societies or patriarchal societies or theocratic societies. The mere fact of rejecting a fundamental principle with reasoned argument is not a negative, it can be a great positive.
QuestionC 6y ago
Period of time when communities and organizations had to turn in their colleagues for not supporting the party. Kids reporting on their parents, coworkers reporting to each other, that sort of thing. It was a period marked by a lot of 'virtue signalling' support for the party. Highly recommend the film "The Blue Kite" concerning the period (can't speak to the accuracy but at least the creator says its true).

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vimy 6y ago

https://imgur.com/a/jd9JL9x https://imgur.com/a/jd9JL9x The struggle sessions are the most visible part. In the American cultural revolution they are mainly online (for now). What's a struggle session? Think of all those fake apologies after someone did something perfectly ok but the mob goes after them. > In the struggle sessions the accused, often teachers suspected of lacking proletarian feeling, were paraded through streets and campuses, sometimes stadiums. It was important always to have a jeering crowd; it was important that the electric feeling that comes with the possibility of murder be present. Dunce caps, sometimes wastebaskets, were placed on the victims’ heads, and placards stipulating their crimes hung from their necks. The victims were accused, berated, assaulted. Many falsely confessed in the vain hope of mercy. Were any “guilty”? It hardly mattered. Fear and terror were the point. A destroyed society is more easily dominated. https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346 https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-sess... Edit: The goal is to replace enlightenment values with critical race theory. > Critical Race Theory presents a radically different view of our society and of us than most of us recognize or accept. They begin with the assumption of racism and look to find it. They say everyone who doesn’t do this is complicit in the problem, including just for disagreeing with Critical Race Theory. And they reject the fundamental liberal, reasonable, legal, and scientific principles upon which liberal societies operate. https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theory/ https://newdiscourses.com/2021/01/what-is-critical-race-theo... An example of critical race theory in action: https://twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044?s=20 https://twitter.com/DrKarlynB/status/1362774562769879044?s=2... Or this page from the African-American History Museum: https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/926/d5f/a334baf0d43cd480b3ea93582d7e80f8dc-white-culture.2x.w710.jpg https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/926/d5f/a334baf0d43cd480b3ea...

claudiawerner 6y ago
>And they reject the fundamental liberal, reasonable, legal, and scientific principles upon which liberal societies operate. Is this a crime in itself? Do we really need to cancel academics over rejecting something because they find it logically or practically wrong? Isn't it a bit of a word-game to to identify liberalism with 'reasonable'? The whole statement seems to start from the presumption that liberalism is reasonable. I can think of many arguments stipulating that it's not. As it turns out, describing your ideology (in this case liberalism) as inherently and unquestionably 'reasonable' isn't a particularly strong way to go about defending that ideology. A Communist or a Nazi could easily say the same thing about their own ideology.
- waterhouse 6y ago
  > Is this a crime in itself? Do we really need to cancel academics over rejecting something because they find it logically or practically wrong? The problem isn't "these academics aren't being canceled for their ideas"; nowhere did GP say such a thing. The problem is "these academics, and people animated by the ideas they expound, have gotten power and are using it to implement their ideas, which is eroding fundamental principles of liberalism (like tolerance of dissent) and this seems really terrible".
  - claudiawerner 6y ago
    >"these academics, and people animated by the ideas they expound, have gotten power and are using it to implement their ideas, which is eroding fundamental principles of liberalism (like tolerance of dissent) and this seems really terrible". This seems so ironic to me. Liberals, then, out of all people, should at least tolerate the dissent of people who don't agree with it. Further, in the interest of argumentation and creating a better society (in whatever metric that may be), we should listen to the arguments and criticisms against liberalism. That's not 'really terrible' by any stretch. If your ideology can't stand up to such criticism, it's likely deficient in some way. We've rejected fundamental principles of societies in the past, whether slave societies or patriarchal societies or theocratic societies. The mere fact of rejecting a fundamental principle with reasoned argument is not a negative, it can be a great positive.

QuestionC 6y ago

Period of time when communities and organizations had to turn in their colleagues for not supporting the party. Kids reporting on their parents, coworkers reporting to each other, that sort of thing. It was a period marked by a lot of 'virtue signalling' support for the party. Highly recommend the film "The Blue Kite" concerning the period (can't speak to the accuracy but at least the creator says its true).