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It’s dangerous to complain about this stuff. Was at one place that routinely trashed white males, of which I happened to be. Caught hell when I tried to pus

It’s dangerous to complain about this stuff. Was at one place that routinely trashed white males, of which I happened to be. Caught hell when I tried to push back. Sadly this seems like it’s becoming the norm.

eplanit 6y ago
It's authoritarianism and cultural revolution: there is not a contest of ideas, but a demand for obedience.
eru 6y ago
You might have considered leaving instead of pushing back? Vote with your feet?
- tartoran 6y ago
  All progress we’ve made so far was by talking and understanding one another. Leaving would amount to silencing since the people who left are afraid to make their thoughts public for fear of backlash.
  - eru 6y ago
    What kind of progress are you talking about? As far as I can tell, historically leaving oppressive places has a better track record of success for individuals than fighting or trying to talk and understand. (Eg think of the people fleeing North Korea, the Soviet Union, East Germany, Nazi Germany, etc. Similar, you are better of quitting a bad company, than trying to reform. Or just quitting twitter instead of 'talking' to people there.)
    - tartoran 6y ago
      On a personal level I agree but it's not a moving forward solution to withdraw and stay quiet. I'm talking about the general sense of progress, the one where people are more in balance with other people and that involves understanding eachother and eventually it comes down to talking or some form of communication. Yes, clearly what we're doing at the moment (social media and it's ills) is not only not right but very divisive but that does not meat it's going to be like that forever.
      - eru 6y ago
        If people move from places that have bad social norms (or bad norms of discussion), like say Twitter, to place that have good norms, like say the Slatestarcodex comments section, the experience of the average person will improve. The bad places can just quietly whither away when no one goes there anymore.
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throwaway803453 6y ago
"It’s dangerous to complain about this stuff." Yep, I'm Latino but when NYC's law was going to make it a crime to call someone an "illegal immigrant" with a $250K fine I didn't even feel safe speaking out against this bad idea. Because I am in tech and high-income so "what do I know". Despite being slurred this way many years ago by a cop and despite assisting some cousins enter the country illegally and being held by a border agent. All this "privilege checking" makes it difficult to speak out. The least privileged people have existential concerns more significant than our culture war so they don't speak out either. The Woke movement has been hijacked by narcissists. There is no resistance so this will only accelerate in the near term.
- nemo44x 6y ago
  It’s 100% narcissism. When will the vast majority gain courage and marginalize this pandemic of misinformed thought?
  - hedora 6y ago
    As someone wiser than me likes to point out, this sort of crap is how Trump gets re-elected. Ban second hand sales of out-of-print, arguably sort of racist children’s books, or keep that man out of the white house. Pick one.
    - rayiner 6y ago
      My 70 year old Democrat immigrant Muslim mom is forwarding me Bill Maher segments and complaining about cancel culture of Facebook. She texted me approvingly when Trump banned critical race theory in the federal government. Yes, this is how Trump, or someone similar, gets elected.
    - lgleason 6y ago
      It's not the only reason people voted for him, but it certainly strengthens his position and chances for 2024....not to mention, the first thing the authoritarian left did after CPAC was to ban his speech from Youtube.
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rayiner 6y ago
Sue. That’s creating a hostile work environment. Civil rights laws are still based on actual equality and not critical theory, and racism against white people is a cognizable violation.

eplanit 6y ago

It's authoritarianism and cultural revolution: there is not a contest of ideas, but a demand for obedience.

eru 6y ago

You might have considered leaving instead of pushing back? Vote with your feet?

tartoran 6y ago
All progress we’ve made so far was by talking and understanding one another. Leaving would amount to silencing since the people who left are afraid to make their thoughts public for fear of backlash.
- eru 6y ago
  What kind of progress are you talking about? As far as I can tell, historically leaving oppressive places has a better track record of success for individuals than fighting or trying to talk and understand. (Eg think of the people fleeing North Korea, the Soviet Union, East Germany, Nazi Germany, etc. Similar, you are better of quitting a bad company, than trying to reform. Or just quitting twitter instead of 'talking' to people there.)
  - tartoran 6y ago
    On a personal level I agree but it's not a moving forward solution to withdraw and stay quiet. I'm talking about the general sense of progress, the one where people are more in balance with other people and that involves understanding eachother and eventually it comes down to talking or some form of communication. Yes, clearly what we're doing at the moment (social media and it's ills) is not only not right but very divisive but that does not meat it's going to be like that forever.
    - eru 6y ago
      If people move from places that have bad social norms (or bad norms of discussion), like say Twitter, to place that have good norms, like say the Slatestarcodex comments section, the experience of the average person will improve. The bad places can just quietly whither away when no one goes there anymore.
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throwaway803453 6y ago

"It’s dangerous to complain about this stuff." Yep, I'm Latino but when NYC's law was going to make it a crime to call someone an "illegal immigrant" with a $250K fine I didn't even feel safe speaking out against this bad idea. Because I am in tech and high-income so "what do I know". Despite being slurred this way many years ago by a cop and despite assisting some cousins enter the country illegally and being held by a border agent. All this "privilege checking" makes it difficult to speak out. The least privileged people have existential concerns more significant than our culture war so they don't speak out either. The Woke movement has been hijacked by narcissists. There is no resistance so this will only accelerate in the near term.

nemo44x 6y ago
It’s 100% narcissism. When will the vast majority gain courage and marginalize this pandemic of misinformed thought?
- hedora 6y ago
  As someone wiser than me likes to point out, this sort of crap is how Trump gets re-elected. Ban second hand sales of out-of-print, arguably sort of racist children’s books, or keep that man out of the white house. Pick one.
  - rayiner 6y ago
    My 70 year old Democrat immigrant Muslim mom is forwarding me Bill Maher segments and complaining about cancel culture of Facebook. She texted me approvingly when Trump banned critical race theory in the federal government. Yes, this is how Trump, or someone similar, gets elected.
  - lgleason 6y ago
    It's not the only reason people voted for him, but it certainly strengthens his position and chances for 2024....not to mention, the first thing the authoritarian left did after CPAC was to ban his speech from Youtube.
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rayiner 6y ago

Sue. That’s creating a hostile work environment. Civil rights laws are still based on actual equality and not critical theory, and racism against white people is a cognizable violation.