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Even if I loved the company, this would probably be a tipping point of some kind. Hypothetically, if I didn't quit in a comparable situation, I'd gradually rese

Even if I loved the company, this would probably be a tipping point of some kind. Hypothetically, if I didn't quit in a comparable situation, I'd gradually resent the company to the point where I'd become sufficiently unproductive enough to be fired. How are you thinking about it?

VRay 6y ago
Is it really so hard to include the few women who've managed to get anywhere in the industry? The whining in this thread sounds like my white southern grandma getting mad about having to call "n**s" people If you don't like it, go ahead and quit. I REALLY doubt that anyone's going to get in trouble for addressing a group of 5 or 10 men as "you guys", but it's not the hardest thing in the world to just swap out "you guys" with "team" or "friends" or whatever
- joyeuse6701 6y ago
  If it’s not that hard as you say, then it’s not that hard to accept that these are just sounds coming out of a bag of flesh trying to get your attention, instead of inconveniencing the entire world of English speakers to keep a fragile ego and identity placated.
- da_big_ghey 6y ago
  I am not hearing any person call other persons "guy" as term of derogatory. Not this the case within case you otherwise mention.
- brailsafe 6y ago
  Yikes. It's a bold move to compare a colloquial casual term to literally the most foul term in American history. It's absolutely a matter of principle, which I don't think is a surprise to you. I find that it's common to conflate refusal to oblige what amounts to policing my ability to communicate, with refusal to oblige someone's request to be addressed a certain way. One is just a matter of retaining my right to decide for myself how I communicate, but I've never had the right to say anything I want and have it not be capable of being interpreted as rude. The thing is, you don't get to decide objectively what is wrong and right, or what I find difficult to fluently introduce into my vocabulary. A business kind of does, in so much as they can keep employees, but generally we've accepted a high bar for that, largely relying on subjectivity rather than them deciding to legislate bad words for adults. You can't just decide that a term is objectively sexist or a personal attack, and "I really doubt" arguments aren't convincing, evidenced in part by you already implying it's anti-woman. edit: I'd add that I'm not particularly attached to specific phrases like this, it all depends on circumstances and context, and a matter of what would make me start thinking about a change. Generally, I do think about how I'd address a group of people, because some opt not to use this or that, and it's best to find that comfortable common ground, and if you're speaking with customers I could probably more easily grasp a business wanting to pick the safest option, especially if it's likely to make it's way onto Twitter when my barista commits a faux-pas. If I worked at Reddit when they implemented their new policies for example, I'd probably start looking elsewhere. Pick your battles, and not every fight is worth your job. But if my company decides for me that this isn't an interpersonal issue, and I don't get to make these choices for myself, but that it's by definition hate speech, then maybe I'll go work on a farm or whatever you'd have me do. One that butches animals for mass human consumption; I hope that's ok ;)
- monkeywork 6y ago
  In a thread full of bad takes you are right at the top. Comparing someone throwing out a completely friendly "hey guys" to a group that has both males and females is no where close to the same fucking galaxy as using a racial slur. This is why so many don't take you seriously.

VRay 6y ago

Is it really so hard to include the few women who've managed to get anywhere in the industry? The whining in this thread sounds like my white southern grandma getting mad about having to call "n**s" people If you don't like it, go ahead and quit. I REALLY doubt that anyone's going to get in trouble for addressing a group of 5 or 10 men as "you guys", but it's not the hardest thing in the world to just swap out "you guys" with "team" or "friends" or whatever

joyeuse6701 6y ago
If it’s not that hard as you say, then it’s not that hard to accept that these are just sounds coming out of a bag of flesh trying to get your attention, instead of inconveniencing the entire world of English speakers to keep a fragile ego and identity placated.
da_big_ghey 6y ago
I am not hearing any person call other persons "guy" as term of derogatory. Not this the case within case you otherwise mention.
brailsafe 6y ago
Yikes. It's a bold move to compare a colloquial casual term to literally the most foul term in American history. It's absolutely a matter of principle, which I don't think is a surprise to you. I find that it's common to conflate refusal to oblige what amounts to policing my ability to communicate, with refusal to oblige someone's request to be addressed a certain way. One is just a matter of retaining my right to decide for myself how I communicate, but I've never had the right to say anything I want and have it not be capable of being interpreted as rude. The thing is, you don't get to decide objectively what is wrong and right, or what I find difficult to fluently introduce into my vocabulary. A business kind of does, in so much as they can keep employees, but generally we've accepted a high bar for that, largely relying on subjectivity rather than them deciding to legislate bad words for adults. You can't just decide that a term is objectively sexist or a personal attack, and "I really doubt" arguments aren't convincing, evidenced in part by you already implying it's anti-woman. edit: I'd add that I'm not particularly attached to specific phrases like this, it all depends on circumstances and context, and a matter of what would make me start thinking about a change. Generally, I do think about how I'd address a group of people, because some opt not to use this or that, and it's best to find that comfortable common ground, and if you're speaking with customers I could probably more easily grasp a business wanting to pick the safest option, especially if it's likely to make it's way onto Twitter when my barista commits a faux-pas. If I worked at Reddit when they implemented their new policies for example, I'd probably start looking elsewhere. Pick your battles, and not every fight is worth your job. But if my company decides for me that this isn't an interpersonal issue, and I don't get to make these choices for myself, but that it's by definition hate speech, then maybe I'll go work on a farm or whatever you'd have me do. One that butches animals for mass human consumption; I hope that's ok ;)
monkeywork 6y ago
In a thread full of bad takes you are right at the top. Comparing someone throwing out a completely friendly "hey guys" to a group that has both males and females is no where close to the same fucking galaxy as using a racial slur. This is why so many don't take you seriously.