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> 25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netf

> 25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] Please expand upon your point. Why exactly is 25/3 reasonable for most people? I'm not necessarily disagreeing; indeed, this would be a god-level speed compared to what's currently standard for most of Latin America. However, your point about Netflix is irrelevant because not every use case can be buffered. Also, many use cases in our new work-from-home reality require better up speed than 3Mbps with bad ping and high jitter.

kryogen1c 6y ago
> your point about Netflix is irrelevant because not every use case can be buffered nothing special about netflix, just a service that most people use. even their highest quality offering is streamable if we actually got advertised speeds. just trying to say that 25 isnt a meaningful cap for most people. > require better up speed than 3Mbps with bad ping and high jitter rejectfinite makes this point downthread and i agree with both of you. i think theres a lot more bang for your buck to be had by reducing quality problems and widening the upload pipe. 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default.
- EEMac 6y ago
  > 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default. Remote work has become very much A Thing since the COVID lockdown. Solid upload/download bandwidth isn't about streaming multiple 4K movies. It's about productivity where a sketchy 3Mbps connection is a hurdle.
- LockAndLol 6y ago
  > 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default. It is if you don't want to update the minimum every 5 years. 100 isn't even high enough, IMO. It should be at least 500 down and at least 100 up to be safe for another decade, maybe 2. If the pandemic has shown most of the world anything, it's that people need internet with high speeds. With the increasing gap between rich and poor, there are more people in flat shares too (per flat and total flat shares). Houses are bought later, if at all.
- 00deadbeef 6y ago
  > 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default. Yes it is because this is how many people already live. If you’re a typical family of four everyone has at least one device they stream content on.

kryogen1c 6y ago

> your point about Netflix is irrelevant because not every use case can be buffered nothing special about netflix, just a service that most people use. even their highest quality offering is streamable if we actually got advertised speeds. just trying to say that 25 isnt a meaningful cap for most people. > require better up speed than 3Mbps with bad ping and high jitter rejectfinite makes this point downthread and i agree with both of you. i think theres a lot more bang for your buck to be had by reducing quality problems and widening the upload pipe. 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default.

EEMac 6y ago
> 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default. Remote work has become very much A Thing since the COVID lockdown. Solid upload/download bandwidth isn't about streaming multiple 4K movies. It's about productivity where a sketchy 3Mbps connection is a hurdle.
LockAndLol 6y ago
> 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default. It is if you don't want to update the minimum every 5 years. 100 isn't even high enough, IMO. It should be at least 500 down and at least 100 up to be safe for another decade, maybe 2. If the pandemic has shown most of the world anything, it's that people need internet with high speeds. With the increasing gap between rich and poor, there are more people in flat shares too (per flat and total flat shares). Houses are bought later, if at all.
00deadbeef 6y ago
> 100Mbps download so that multiple people can simultaneously stream 4k video is not a sane default. Yes it is because this is how many people already live. If you’re a typical family of four everyone has at least one device they stream content on.