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Fascinating. Within seconds of posting my parent, the negatives rolled in. I guess my post was scanned as saying "no, don't increase bandwidth". Far from it.

by blunte 6y ago

blunte 6y ago
There's something going on here that is organized toward some goal, but it doesn't make sense. Usually troll farms work for financial interests, but my comment wasn't taking any side. If the votes came from thinking HN readers, I would have expected refutory responses. (meta) It's reasonable that we don't see who downvoted us, but it would be very interesting to see the karma of each account that downvoted.
- greedo 6y ago
  I didn't vote you down, but your comment didn't really add a lot of value. It's like whenever expanding roads come up, people say "but this encourages more traffic!" True, but not really the point.
  - blunte 6y ago
    But this is HN, and a lot of us are responsible for the state of web browsing! (Plus a lot are junior and have not considered these performance topics.) Absolutely everyone's connection to the internet should be fast and unfiltered, but if the supply side doesn't behave responsibly, the gains will be lost. (edit-added) And let's pause a moment to consider actual bandwidth needs. viop, video calls, and 1080 streaming all need less than 10mbps. Online gaming usually benefits more from low latency than from bandwidth. Honestly, only downloading files (app and OS updates) really benefits from bandwidth above 10mbps. And to be fair, now that phone, app, and OS updates are 1GB+, there is some value in increasing bandwidth. Most day to day problems come from unreliable networks, where latency spikes, or from heavily throttled upload speeds which effectively tie up the overall connection. And finally, the issue is not in forcing providers to offer reasonable performance, but instead to undo the last 20 years of corporate-government cozying which has been allowed to increase dramatically in the US. This has resulted in effective monopolies with high prices and low performance - and no alternatives.

Fascinating. Within seconds of posting my parent, the negatives rolled in. I guess my post was scanned as saying "no, don't increase bandwidth". Far from it.

by blunte 6y ago

Fascinating. Within seconds of posting my parent, the negatives rolled in. I guess my post was scanned as saying "no, don't increase bandwidth". Far from it.

blunte 6y ago

There's something going on here that is organized toward some goal, but it doesn't make sense. Usually troll farms work for financial interests, but my comment wasn't taking any side. If the votes came from thinking HN readers, I would have expected refutory responses. (meta) It's reasonable that we don't see who downvoted us, but it would be very interesting to see the karma of each account that downvoted.

greedo 6y ago
I didn't vote you down, but your comment didn't really add a lot of value. It's like whenever expanding roads come up, people say "but this encourages more traffic!" True, but not really the point.
- blunte 6y ago
  But this is HN, and a lot of us are responsible for the state of web browsing! (Plus a lot are junior and have not considered these performance topics.) Absolutely everyone's connection to the internet should be fast and unfiltered, but if the supply side doesn't behave responsibly, the gains will be lost. (edit-added) And let's pause a moment to consider actual bandwidth needs. viop, video calls, and 1080 streaming all need less than 10mbps. Online gaming usually benefits more from low latency than from bandwidth. Honestly, only downloading files (app and OS updates) really benefits from bandwidth above 10mbps. And to be fair, now that phone, app, and OS updates are 1GB+, there is some value in increasing bandwidth. Most day to day problems come from unreliable networks, where latency spikes, or from heavily throttled upload speeds which effectively tie up the overall connection. And finally, the issue is not in forcing providers to offer reasonable performance, but instead to undo the last 20 years of corporate-government cozying which has been allowed to increase dramatically in the US. This has resulted in effective monopolies with high prices and low performance - and no alternatives.