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It's not only that, but also nuclear plants run by for profit organisations, where cutting corners will at some level be appreciated to ensure the bottom line.
by chefkoch 6y ago
It's not only that, but also nuclear plants run by for profit organisations, where cutting corners will at some level be appreciated to ensure the bottom line.
/edit: it's funny that here many are calling for tougher regulation, while in other post many who are pro nuclear complain about toomuch red Tape and top much security.
- sigstoat 6y ago> run by for profit organisations, where cutting corners will at some level be appreciated to ensure the bottom line as though government bureaucrats and congressmen don't like coming in under budget, future consequences be damned.
- chefkoch 6y agoComming in under budget seems like a rare problem with building nuclear plants. While in operation, i think congressman and bureaucrats don't even know about the real costs.
- WalterBright 6y ago> nuclear plants run by for profit organisations, where cutting corners will at some level be appreciated to ensure the bottom line How does that explain the inept handling of Chernobyl?
- wongarsu 6y agoCutting corners was appreciated to meet arbitrary plans and quotas. The failure mode wasn't that different.
- chefkoch 6y agoFrom what i know about this accident, the profit in this case was not to loose face for the higher ups running the plant.
- nullserver 6y agoDid “profit” just get redefined?
- chefkoch 6y agoI know nobody likes the wiseass but Profit = to gain an advantage from something: profit from sth/doing sth I profited enormously from working with her. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/profit https://dictionary.cambridge.org/de/worterbuch/englisch/prof...
- WalterBright 6y agoGood luck designing and operating a complex, dangerous system with purely altruistic, utterly selfless people.
- chefkoch 6y ago> Good luck designing and operating a complex, dangerous system with purely altruistic, utterly selfless people. I know you're beeing sarcastic, but you just have to run it by the book. No need to be a saint.
- WalterBright 6y agoWhat I'm saying is a proper organization takes advantage of peoples' base motives, instead of trying to defy them. Free markets work so well for that reason.
- chefkoch 6y agoI don't think this works in any savety relevant industry or there are not many proper organizations. Most regulations are a response to accidents.
- WalterBright 6y ago
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoThe handling, as in, the reaction once the top officials actually understood the magnitude of the situation, was nothing short of spectacular. No expence was spared cleaning up the mess, removing top layer of soil at a massive scale and enclosing the failed reactor in sarcofagus. This expence and reputation damage contributed considerably to bringing the end of USSR. You've got to keep in mind how little was known about lethality and handling of radiation back then, compared to today. In fact good chunk of today's knowledge comes from Chernobyl.
- bluGill 6y agoWhile we learned a lot from Chernobly, the culture back then was already very fearful of nuclear.
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoI mean more like having tools and equipment to handle the situation that previously simply didn't exist. From hazmat suits to robots, what was avaliable was extremely basic.
- petre 6y agoPersonal profit, zealotry, career seeking, incompetence, design flaws, political agenda. This also includes the design phase. The RBMK reactor was an irresponsible design from the onset, even without the unknowns. Graphite moderated reactors are prone to graphite cracking, as also evidenced by UK's AGR reactor fleet. Maybe pebble bed reactors are safer, because new pebbles are continuosly fed in and the spent ones are extracted for reprocessing. We'll se how the HTR-10 and the HTR-PM fare.
- Aunche 6y agoIt's not a universal rule that all for profit companies will "cut corners." Airplanes are vastly safer than other forms of transportation. When the public found out that Boeing cut corners with their design of the 737 max, their share price dramatically plummeted, signaling that this was the wrong decision. Also, cutting corners isn't necessarily worse for nuclear than other energy sources. More people die from wind turbine accidents than nuclear power.