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>In the United States, it's economically difficult I doubt that until you pretend to have living conditions on par with these in Pakistan. I bet people simply

>In the United States, it's economically difficult I doubt that until you pretend to have living conditions on par with these in Pakistan. I bet people simply are ambitious, and have way higher expectations regarding living standards, hence this feeling of struggling in pursuing the expected standards. > you need to fix things up from the material conditions Birth rates: Pakistan: 3.51 India: 2.22 US: 1.73 Denmark: 1.73 Seems like living conditions doesn't matter that much, or the correlation is negative. > If you want a society where people are practically free to start a family Do I? Why would I want a world where people are practically free to start a family? I think people who would like to start a family should prove that they a responsible and can manage at least their own life, not to mention the life of an infant.

mbgerring 6y ago
OK, now show me the average percent of a person's income required to secure a roof over your head in Pakistan. We could also talk about the difference in availability of childcare in Pakistan, or any country where strong family ties and multi-generational households are common, vs higher-income countries without these features. We would also have to consider that in many high-income countries it is literally illegal to live below a certain standard of living without running the risk of having your children taken from you by the state.
- ernst_klim 6y ago
  > show me the average percent of a person's income required to secure a roof over your head in Pakistan Very high. Avg US person spends 6.4% on food, while avg Pakistani spends 40%+. [1] > We could also talk about the difference in availability of childcare in Pakistan, or any country where strong family ties This is my point. People in the wealthy countries are way more focused on their careers and consumption (no negative implied). It's not that people can't have more childcare by, say, earlier retirement or one parent dedicating themself to babysitting at the expense of the lower living standards. > We would also have to consider that in many high-income countries it is literally illegal to live below a certain standard of living without running the risk of having your children taken from you by the state. Relevant maybe for lower few percents in the West, while you are talking about "young people" in general. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-much-each-country-spends-on-food/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-mu...

mbgerring 6y ago

OK, now show me the average percent of a person's income required to secure a roof over your head in Pakistan. We could also talk about the difference in availability of childcare in Pakistan, or any country where strong family ties and multi-generational households are common, vs higher-income countries without these features. We would also have to consider that in many high-income countries it is literally illegal to live below a certain standard of living without running the risk of having your children taken from you by the state.

ernst_klim 6y ago
> show me the average percent of a person's income required to secure a roof over your head in Pakistan Very high. Avg US person spends 6.4% on food, while avg Pakistani spends 40%+. [1] > We could also talk about the difference in availability of childcare in Pakistan, or any country where strong family ties This is my point. People in the wealthy countries are way more focused on their careers and consumption (no negative implied). It's not that people can't have more childcare by, say, earlier retirement or one parent dedicating themself to babysitting at the expense of the lower living standards. > We would also have to consider that in many high-income countries it is literally illegal to live below a certain standard of living without running the risk of having your children taken from you by the state. Relevant maybe for lower few percents in the West, while you are talking about "young people" in general. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-much-each-country-spends-on-food/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-mu...