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It's the first part of the Data Transfer Project - an initiative between major online service providers to provide an easy way to transfer data between their se

by dangwu 6y ago

It's the first part of the Data Transfer Project - an initiative between major online service providers to provide an easy way to transfer data between their services.

krrrh 6y ago
That's interesting, and it's the first I've heard of the project. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Apple has yet released the adaptors to the open source project [1]. As much as I'm not interested in having Apple copy my photos to Google, I am very interested in scripting my own offline backups without having to make space for Photos.app to store all my photos on my laptop's SSD. Hopefully the adaptors are added to the project soon. [1] https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/extensions/data-transfer https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/...
- lostlogin 6y ago
  Once your library gets large, local storage is just too hard and expensive on a laptop. Photos.app seems to hate using external or network drives.
  - spullara 6y ago
    I've been using it on an external drive for ages. What kinds of issues have you run into?
  - beamatronic 6y ago
    I would really like to know if the M1 chip helps this in any regard.
  - PhilosAccnting 6y ago
    Yes, but self-made NAS is always an option, and in this case I'd almost say an ideal for when the balance of trust leans away from unnamed organizations holding your information.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  I am pretty sure this project is purpose built to keep your data amongst the big tech oligopoly. You exercising your freedom is no good for anyone.
  - darren_ 6y ago
    Or you could read DTP site instead of axe-grinding "DTP is an open source project centered around the idea that less-resourced companies can use and build on the common models and codebase developed by the community of contributors. All companies are welcome to participate." https://datatransferproject.dev/faq https://datatransferproject.dev/faq or you could look at the source and see such big tech oligopolists as 'mastodon' and 'rememberthemilk' https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/extensions/data-transfer https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/...
    - vincnetas 6y ago
      Checked the home page it says "This approach encourages companies to continue to support data portability, knowing that their proprietary technologies are not threatened by data portability requirements. For a detailed taxonomy of such data, see ISO/IEC 19944:2017." Went to look for ISO standart, and founs out thet it's status is "Withdrawn" https://www.iso.org/standard/66674.html https://www.iso.org/standard/66674.html
      - dbt00 6y ago
        It's been revised and updated, yes, that means the document is withdrawn but the standard lives on in 19944-1:2020. "This first edition of ISO/IEC 19944-1, along with ISO/IEC 19944-21 cancels and replaces ISO/IEC 19944:2017, which has been technically revised. The main changes compared to the previous edition are as follows: — provides additional material which principally deals with organizational data and the need to treat some organizational data in particular ways in order to ensure confidentiality, integrity and so on, — the new concept of data facets is introduced and data facets are used to extend the expressiveness of data use statements, including adding the concept of which individuals or organizations have control over data, — the new data use categories are introduced, including some that address the newer uses of data associated with artificial intelligence systems. A list of all parts in the ISO/IEC 19944 series can be found on the ISO website."
- intpx 6y ago
  in the meantime, https://github.com/icloud-photos-downloader/icloud_photos_downloader https://github.com/icloud-photos-downloader/icloud_photos_do... has been pretty reliable for me.
- varispeed 6y ago
  If you are in the EU, they are by law required to give you access to your data in a way so that you can achieve this. If this is not available then you can make a complaint and maybe sue them, but that costs money.
  - dkonofalski 6y ago
    Stop spreading this incorrect info. You already have access to this data on both Google Photos and iCloud Photos. The only notable thing is that Apple is offering to perform the transfer for you.
    - varispeed 6y ago
      What do you mean? Have you read this? https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/individual-rights/right-to-data-portability/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio... The fact that you can download a .zip file with your photos is not enough.
      - true_religion 6y ago
        Most notably this section about consumer having the right to > have their personal data transmitted from one controller to another controller.
      - dkonofalski 6y ago
        It's not just the .zip file. You can transfer all your photos, in original quality, to Google and that includes all metadata. The only notable thing that has changed is that Apple will do it for you, not because of GPDR, but because they're part of the Data Transfer Project.
codercotton 6y ago
For those curious - https://datatransferproject.dev https://datatransferproject.dev
Apocryphon 6y ago
Ah, easing of travel restrictions often accompanies a diplomatic thaw.
varispeed 6y ago
This is quite elaborately dishonest as data portability is one of the requirements of GDPR that came to life in 2018. It's not like suddenly those giants decided to be good companies and allowed data transfer between services. It looks like they use it as a PR piece and at the same time trying to ensure that users won't flock to competition that has not signed to their thing.
- Spivak 6y ago
  I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. The fact that companies can sell their regulatory obligations as a positive PR move is the carrot to get them to do it well and be proud of it. Stick only is how you get half-assed left to rot technically compliant implementations.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  They are offering it regions where it’s not required by law as well.
lupire 6y ago
Sounds like a trust to keep minor providers out of the market.
nelox 6y ago
AKA the Anti Anti-Trust Project

by dangwu 6y ago

It's the first part of the Data Transfer Project - an initiative between major online service providers to provide an easy way to transfer data between their services.

krrrh 6y ago

That's interesting, and it's the first I've heard of the project. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Apple has yet released the adaptors to the open source project [1]. As much as I'm not interested in having Apple copy my photos to Google, I am very interested in scripting my own offline backups without having to make space for Photos.app to store all my photos on my laptop's SSD. Hopefully the adaptors are added to the project soon. [1] https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/extensions/data-transfer https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/...

lostlogin 6y ago
Once your library gets large, local storage is just too hard and expensive on a laptop. Photos.app seems to hate using external or network drives.
- spullara 6y ago
  I've been using it on an external drive for ages. What kinds of issues have you run into?
- beamatronic 6y ago
  I would really like to know if the M1 chip helps this in any regard.
- PhilosAccnting 6y ago
  Yes, but self-made NAS is always an option, and in this case I'd almost say an ideal for when the balance of trust leans away from unnamed organizations holding your information.
ocdtrekkie 6y ago
I am pretty sure this project is purpose built to keep your data amongst the big tech oligopoly. You exercising your freedom is no good for anyone.
- darren_ 6y ago
  Or you could read DTP site instead of axe-grinding "DTP is an open source project centered around the idea that less-resourced companies can use and build on the common models and codebase developed by the community of contributors. All companies are welcome to participate." https://datatransferproject.dev/faq https://datatransferproject.dev/faq or you could look at the source and see such big tech oligopolists as 'mastodon' and 'rememberthemilk' https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/extensions/data-transfer https://github.com/google/data-transfer-project/tree/master/...
  - vincnetas 6y ago
    Checked the home page it says "This approach encourages companies to continue to support data portability, knowing that their proprietary technologies are not threatened by data portability requirements. For a detailed taxonomy of such data, see ISO/IEC 19944:2017." Went to look for ISO standart, and founs out thet it's status is "Withdrawn" https://www.iso.org/standard/66674.html https://www.iso.org/standard/66674.html
    - dbt00 6y ago
      It's been revised and updated, yes, that means the document is withdrawn but the standard lives on in 19944-1:2020. "This first edition of ISO/IEC 19944-1, along with ISO/IEC 19944-21 cancels and replaces ISO/IEC 19944:2017, which has been technically revised. The main changes compared to the previous edition are as follows: — provides additional material which principally deals with organizational data and the need to treat some organizational data in particular ways in order to ensure confidentiality, integrity and so on, — the new concept of data facets is introduced and data facets are used to extend the expressiveness of data use statements, including adding the concept of which individuals or organizations have control over data, — the new data use categories are introduced, including some that address the newer uses of data associated with artificial intelligence systems. A list of all parts in the ISO/IEC 19944 series can be found on the ISO website."
intpx 6y ago
in the meantime, https://github.com/icloud-photos-downloader/icloud_photos_downloader https://github.com/icloud-photos-downloader/icloud_photos_do... has been pretty reliable for me.
varispeed 6y ago
If you are in the EU, they are by law required to give you access to your data in a way so that you can achieve this. If this is not available then you can make a complaint and maybe sue them, but that costs money.
- dkonofalski 6y ago
  Stop spreading this incorrect info. You already have access to this data on both Google Photos and iCloud Photos. The only notable thing is that Apple is offering to perform the transfer for you.
  - varispeed 6y ago
    What do you mean? Have you read this? https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/individual-rights/right-to-data-portability/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio... The fact that you can download a .zip file with your photos is not enough.
    - true_religion 6y ago
      Most notably this section about consumer having the right to > have their personal data transmitted from one controller to another controller.
    - dkonofalski 6y ago
      It's not just the .zip file. You can transfer all your photos, in original quality, to Google and that includes all metadata. The only notable thing that has changed is that Apple will do it for you, not because of GPDR, but because they're part of the Data Transfer Project.

codercotton 6y ago

For those curious - https://datatransferproject.dev https://datatransferproject.dev

Apocryphon 6y ago

Ah, easing of travel restrictions often accompanies a diplomatic thaw.

varispeed 6y ago

This is quite elaborately dishonest as data portability is one of the requirements of GDPR that came to life in 2018. It's not like suddenly those giants decided to be good companies and allowed data transfer between services. It looks like they use it as a PR piece and at the same time trying to ensure that users won't flock to competition that has not signed to their thing.

Spivak 6y ago
I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. The fact that companies can sell their regulatory obligations as a positive PR move is the carrot to get them to do it well and be proud of it. Stick only is how you get half-assed left to rot technically compliant implementations.
ogre_codes 6y ago
They are offering it regions where it’s not required by law as well.

lupire 6y ago

Sounds like a trust to keep minor providers out of the market.

nelox 6y ago

AKA the Anti Anti-Trust Project