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Not shocked at all. It’s hard to keep up with the pace of innovation in this space especially with a competitor as skilled as Microsoft in this arena. A text ed

Not shocked at all. It’s hard to keep up with the pace of innovation in this space especially with a competitor as skilled as Microsoft in this arena. A text editor from Adobe never really made sense to me. I am also surprised that Atom is still kicking and hasn’t done something similar Was a great UI out of the box though I admit.

macspoofing 6y ago
>It’s hard to keep up with the pace of innovation in this space especially with a competitor as skilled as Microsoft in this arena. In hindsight yes, but even a few years ago the 'lightweight IDE/Text Editor' scene was wide open with no clear winner. You had products like Sublime Text, TextMate (mac), Atom, Brackets, and a bunch of other ones competing for mindshare.
oblio 6y ago
It did make sense. Adobe creates authoring tools and the web is a target platform. Think of Dreamweaver.
- throw_m239339 6y ago
  More like used to. There is like what, a single app for prototyping which is more on the mobile side. and the rest (Dreamweaver and co) have not been significantly updated for years. There is absolutely nothing left of the Macromedia era. Creating and fostering creative communities is something Adobe completely failed at. Flash, Dreamweaver and Fireworks had a vibrant ecosystem of plugins which was their strength. As for their creative products, Photoshop and In Design are still king in the industry, because formats, but for how long? People in video editing are moving to Final Cut Pro, Da Vinci Resolve and co because of the lack of significant improvements in After Effects or Premiere.
  - rkhassen9 6y ago
    I so appreciate your call out of the loss of the Macromedia ecosystem. The tools they created not only revolutionized the web but in terms of the “creators experience” we have yet to see the parallel of Flash. It makes me sad to think that rather than let the stronger parts of the Macromedia dna infuse Adobe, it seems like Adobe forced Macromedia fit into its larger, which in certain areas has been an as yet unreplaceable loss for creatives.
    - CharlesW 6y ago
      > …in terms of the “creators experience” we have yet to see the parallel of Flash… Flash Professional lives! It has a different name and targets multiple standards-based formats (HTML5 Canvas, WebGL, Flash/Adobe AIR, SVG) now: https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html
      - rkhassen9 6y ago
        Um....not really. It’s barely a shell of what it was. Flash is no longer supported by browsers. Air is not supported by Adobe. Canvas and Web Gl maybe. https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2019/05/30/the-future-of-adobe-air.html#gs.unf6sw https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2019/05/30/the-future-of-a... https://www.computerworld.com/article/3403345/where-do-browsers-stand-on-flashs-impending-demise.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3403345/where-do-brows...
    - rchaud 6y ago
      Over time, I've come to think that the golden age of Flash existed because the Internet itself had not yet become fragmented across app stores, social media and mobile/desktop viewports. In the golden age of Flash, designers only had one viewport to build for. It was easier to bring attention to them too, as FB and Twitter were relatively new and didn't explicitly favor content created on their own platform (posts + videos). With the exponential increase in user-generated content (Snaps, YT videos, blogspam, Instagram), there's pretty much no oxygen left for creators that are building things "just because".
- ungzd 6y ago
  They also had HomeSite (originally by Allaire, then bought by Macromedia), which is also a text editor. However, it seems that they abandoned it right after acquisition of Macromedia.
  - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
    originally by Allaire Originally by Nick Bradbury. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
    - kilbuz 6y ago
      Yes, ColdFusion was the Allaire brothers. J.J. now does RStudio.
  - sigzero 6y ago
    Ah the memories.
  - bdcravens 6y ago
    Homesite was great. Early versions of it were small enough you could carry it around on a 1.44mb floppy.
- racl101 6y ago
  Not gonna lie, I got by on Dreamweaver as an amateur web dev in the early 2000s. Made me some money while I was in college studying to be something else other than being a programmer.
  - rightbyte 6y ago
    Those GUI web layout tools were good. It made it so simple to make a webpage. I made a site for a car workshop in Netscape Composer for like 20USD that they hosted on the ISP homesites you used to get. A friend made one for his dad's carpentry. We knew nothing about the web or programming. The web has degenerated as a practical tool for the common man. It is programmer and SaaS lock-in nowadays.
    - dylan604 6y ago
      >The web has degenerated as a practical tool for the common man. It is programmer and SaaS lock-in nowadays. That's not really true. I can still use Notepad to create an HTML only document (remember learning HTML?), and host it on any site, and everyone can still view it on any platform. Don't even need Dreamweaver to slice an image up to do a layout in a table. Don't even need 100s of KBs of JS libraries to download to display it. Just ignore the hype of whatever JS library is the fad darling, and go with what you know. The end user of the website probably won't care. Only other techwheenies on the internet will chide you for using such an antiquated method, and make fun of you for not being part of the cool kids.
  - drivingmenuts 6y ago
    I rather liked Dreamweaver for static sites that needed to be user-modifiable without some complicated backend. You could establish templates with clear descriptions of the content and turn it over to the end-user relativily easily. Now, I have no idea - I wouldn’t want to try and explain markdown to a church secretary.
farisjarrah 6y ago
Brackets killer feature was beginner friendliness. You can type some HTML, CSS, and Javascript and you can watch it render live right there in front of you, without having to open a browser window. The very first time I sat down to try to learn some code, I tested sublime text and brackets and went with brackets because I didn't really know how to structure a development workflow. Its kind of similar to Thonny for python in that regard.

macspoofing 6y ago

>It’s hard to keep up with the pace of innovation in this space especially with a competitor as skilled as Microsoft in this arena. In hindsight yes, but even a few years ago the 'lightweight IDE/Text Editor' scene was wide open with no clear winner. You had products like Sublime Text, TextMate (mac), Atom, Brackets, and a bunch of other ones competing for mindshare.

oblio 6y ago

It did make sense. Adobe creates authoring tools and the web is a target platform. Think of Dreamweaver.

throw_m239339 6y ago
More like used to. There is like what, a single app for prototyping which is more on the mobile side. and the rest (Dreamweaver and co) have not been significantly updated for years. There is absolutely nothing left of the Macromedia era. Creating and fostering creative communities is something Adobe completely failed at. Flash, Dreamweaver and Fireworks had a vibrant ecosystem of plugins which was their strength. As for their creative products, Photoshop and In Design are still king in the industry, because formats, but for how long? People in video editing are moving to Final Cut Pro, Da Vinci Resolve and co because of the lack of significant improvements in After Effects or Premiere.
- rkhassen9 6y ago
  I so appreciate your call out of the loss of the Macromedia ecosystem. The tools they created not only revolutionized the web but in terms of the “creators experience” we have yet to see the parallel of Flash. It makes me sad to think that rather than let the stronger parts of the Macromedia dna infuse Adobe, it seems like Adobe forced Macromedia fit into its larger, which in certain areas has been an as yet unreplaceable loss for creatives.
  - CharlesW 6y ago
    > …in terms of the “creators experience” we have yet to see the parallel of Flash… Flash Professional lives! It has a different name and targets multiple standards-based formats (HTML5 Canvas, WebGL, Flash/Adobe AIR, SVG) now: https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html
    - rkhassen9 6y ago
      Um....not really. It’s barely a shell of what it was. Flash is no longer supported by browsers. Air is not supported by Adobe. Canvas and Web Gl maybe. https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2019/05/30/the-future-of-adobe-air.html#gs.unf6sw https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2019/05/30/the-future-of-a... https://www.computerworld.com/article/3403345/where-do-browsers-stand-on-flashs-impending-demise.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3403345/where-do-brows...
  - rchaud 6y ago
    Over time, I've come to think that the golden age of Flash existed because the Internet itself had not yet become fragmented across app stores, social media and mobile/desktop viewports. In the golden age of Flash, designers only had one viewport to build for. It was easier to bring attention to them too, as FB and Twitter were relatively new and didn't explicitly favor content created on their own platform (posts + videos). With the exponential increase in user-generated content (Snaps, YT videos, blogspam, Instagram), there's pretty much no oxygen left for creators that are building things "just because".
ungzd 6y ago
They also had HomeSite (originally by Allaire, then bought by Macromedia), which is also a text editor. However, it seems that they abandoned it right after acquisition of Macromedia.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  originally by Allaire Originally by Nick Bradbury. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macromedia_HomeSite
  - kilbuz 6y ago
    Yes, ColdFusion was the Allaire brothers. J.J. now does RStudio.
- sigzero 6y ago
  Ah the memories.
- bdcravens 6y ago
  Homesite was great. Early versions of it were small enough you could carry it around on a 1.44mb floppy.
racl101 6y ago
Not gonna lie, I got by on Dreamweaver as an amateur web dev in the early 2000s. Made me some money while I was in college studying to be something else other than being a programmer.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  Those GUI web layout tools were good. It made it so simple to make a webpage. I made a site for a car workshop in Netscape Composer for like 20USD that they hosted on the ISP homesites you used to get. A friend made one for his dad's carpentry. We knew nothing about the web or programming. The web has degenerated as a practical tool for the common man. It is programmer and SaaS lock-in nowadays.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    >The web has degenerated as a practical tool for the common man. It is programmer and SaaS lock-in nowadays. That's not really true. I can still use Notepad to create an HTML only document (remember learning HTML?), and host it on any site, and everyone can still view it on any platform. Don't even need Dreamweaver to slice an image up to do a layout in a table. Don't even need 100s of KBs of JS libraries to download to display it. Just ignore the hype of whatever JS library is the fad darling, and go with what you know. The end user of the website probably won't care. Only other techwheenies on the internet will chide you for using such an antiquated method, and make fun of you for not being part of the cool kids.
- drivingmenuts 6y ago
  I rather liked Dreamweaver for static sites that needed to be user-modifiable without some complicated backend. You could establish templates with clear descriptions of the content and turn it over to the end-user relativily easily. Now, I have no idea - I wouldn’t want to try and explain markdown to a church secretary.

farisjarrah 6y ago

Brackets killer feature was beginner friendliness. You can type some HTML, CSS, and Javascript and you can watch it render live right there in front of you, without having to open a browser window. The very first time I sat down to try to learn some code, I tested sublime text and brackets and went with brackets because I didn't really know how to structure a development workflow. Its kind of similar to Thonny for python in that regard.