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Many I just listed use more energy than btc...so yes, they are.

by trident5000 6y ago

jf22 6y ago
So what are you saying, that because other things are also bad we can't have a discussion how bad one thing is?
- trident5000 6y ago
  Im saying you were being sarcastic thereby making the claim that those things are not harmful, and they are. Im not sure whats confusing here.
  - jf22 6y ago
    I was not being sarcastic. Those things are harmful.
pwinnski 6y ago
You mentioned five things, all of which are frequently focused on as contributors to global climate change. Well, I'm not sure I've seen "AI and video rendering" mentioned in that context, but I'm also not sure that they use more power than crypto mining. But definitely I've seen articles addressing idle electronics[0], big homes with AC[1], leisure travel[2], and "all the useless crap bought and manufactured in China with dirty coal"[3]. So it shouldn't be surprising that crypto mining is added to the list. Any and all heavy users of energy are contributing to climate change in some way, and the cost/benefit analysis for some are more justifiable than others. Food production is energy-hungry, but without it, people die. Nobody would die if crypto mining ended tomorrow. Thanks to government standards, idle electronics are better now than they were, and will continue to improve in the future. Big homes with A/C is a largely American problem without anything to really address it yet, but there has been a lot of attention focused on the issue already. In general a bad thing is bad whether there are worse things or not. Crypto mining is a big drain on energy resources with very little benefit, or with benefit to very few people, and it doesn't have to the biggest drain, or benefit the fewest number of people the least for that to be true. 0. https://www.nrdc.org/stories/keep-your-devices-wasting-energy-and-money https://www.nrdc.org/stories/keep-your-devices-wasting-energ... 1. https://www.ajc.com/news/local/are-air-conditioners-slowly-killing/CPdQohTaTmPPITuhSgjtWK/ https://www.ajc.com/news/local/are-air-conditioners-slowly-k... 2. https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/25/8881364/greta-thunberg-climate-change-flying-airline https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/25/8881364/greta-th... 3. https://phys.org/news/2017-11-impact-climate-china-substantial-losses.html https://phys.org/news/2017-11-impact-climate-china-substanti...
- effie 6y ago
  By endlessly arguing about regulating minor consumer/production classes the attention span and opportunities for effective change diminish. The regulation should happen for the big polluters first, i.e. coal plants, transport ships. When that is done and the problem is largely fixed, you can spend your time arguing about cryptocurrency taxation, why not. It makes no sense, in the current situation, to discuss 10000 small energy consumers and appropriate pollution tax for all of them. We need to fix the damn energy production first.

Many I just listed use more energy than btc...so yes, they are.

jf22 6y ago

So what are you saying, that because other things are also bad we can't have a discussion how bad one thing is?

trident5000 6y ago
Im saying you were being sarcastic thereby making the claim that those things are not harmful, and they are. Im not sure whats confusing here.
- jf22 6y ago
  I was not being sarcastic. Those things are harmful.

pwinnski 6y ago

You mentioned five things, all of which are frequently focused on as contributors to global climate change. Well, I'm not sure I've seen "AI and video rendering" mentioned in that context, but I'm also not sure that they use more power than crypto mining. But definitely I've seen articles addressing idle electronics[0], big homes with AC[1], leisure travel[2], and "all the useless crap bought and manufactured in China with dirty coal"[3]. So it shouldn't be surprising that crypto mining is added to the list. Any and all heavy users of energy are contributing to climate change in some way, and the cost/benefit analysis for some are more justifiable than others. Food production is energy-hungry, but without it, people die. Nobody would die if crypto mining ended tomorrow. Thanks to government standards, idle electronics are better now than they were, and will continue to improve in the future. Big homes with A/C is a largely American problem without anything to really address it yet, but there has been a lot of attention focused on the issue already. In general a bad thing is bad whether there are worse things or not. Crypto mining is a big drain on energy resources with very little benefit, or with benefit to very few people, and it doesn't have to the biggest drain, or benefit the fewest number of people the least for that to be true. 0. https://www.nrdc.org/stories/keep-your-devices-wasting-energy-and-money https://www.nrdc.org/stories/keep-your-devices-wasting-energ... 1. https://www.ajc.com/news/local/are-air-conditioners-slowly-killing/CPdQohTaTmPPITuhSgjtWK/ https://www.ajc.com/news/local/are-air-conditioners-slowly-k... 2. https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/25/8881364/greta-thunberg-climate-change-flying-airline https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/25/8881364/greta-th... 3. https://phys.org/news/2017-11-impact-climate-china-substantial-losses.html https://phys.org/news/2017-11-impact-climate-china-substanti...

effie 6y ago
By endlessly arguing about regulating minor consumer/production classes the attention span and opportunities for effective change diminish. The regulation should happen for the big polluters first, i.e. coal plants, transport ships. When that is done and the problem is largely fixed, you can spend your time arguing about cryptocurrency taxation, why not. It makes no sense, in the current situation, to discuss 10000 small energy consumers and appropriate pollution tax for all of them. We need to fix the damn energy production first.