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No that's you putting words into my or OP's mouth. I don't have a problem with roguelikes, but I do have a problem with mobile games. One is optimized to prov

No that's you putting words into my or OP's mouth. I don't have a problem with roguelikes, but I do have a problem with mobile games. One is optimized to provide gameplay experience and fun, the other one is to extract as much money as humanly possible from their users. The fact that they might use some of the same building blocks doesn't mean that end result is similar. Just like playing poker and uno might use some similar mechanics (cards) that doesn't make them equal games. One is regulated the other one isnt. Or you throwing dice in monopoly and craps

adnzzzzZ 6y ago
>One is optimized to provide gameplay experience and fun It's not though, it's RNG-gating content and therefore not really optimize to provide gameplay experience and fun, it's hiding gameplay behind RNG, just like it happens with lootboxes. You happen to not be bothered by this fact because you enjoy the good feelings that come with finding new and unexpected items, but understand that the same feeling exists with the lootbox system, it just asks for money instead of time (which you have to spend to explore all the content when a game is RNG-gated). Your dislike of one over the other is arbitrary and unreasonable, which is fine. But if you're going to ascribe moral value to things I'm not going to take you seriously because it's clear you haven't thought about it enough.
- unionpivo 6y ago
  But it's not gating content. You still go forward, whatever you get or don't get. It just means that most of your runs will be different. And will enable you to do different things (maybe you get staff of freezing and freeze the lake, or maybe levitating boots and walk on water .) Non of that gates you, just provides flavor, and different runs. Sure some things are better and some things are worse, but my fondest memories is getting a win with hilariously bad drops. In mobile games you cant proceed, until you buy crystals, or wait down the increasingly long timer, or simply can't kill a boss without a powerup from cash store.
- mekkkkkk 6y ago
  When it comes to compulsive gambling, the monetary risk is an integral part. People who suffer from it get their fix not by winning but by putting things on the line. This is why gambling is almost universally regulated, and yahtzee is not. It's mind poison for some people. Saying that "time" is a currency sounds good on paper, but in this case it doesn't work. Those whales that spend tens of thousands of dollars on loot boxes would not have spent an equal amount of time otherwise. It's predatory, and it's bad.

adnzzzzZ 6y ago

>One is optimized to provide gameplay experience and fun It's not though, it's RNG-gating content and therefore not really optimize to provide gameplay experience and fun, it's hiding gameplay behind RNG, just like it happens with lootboxes. You happen to not be bothered by this fact because you enjoy the good feelings that come with finding new and unexpected items, but understand that the same feeling exists with the lootbox system, it just asks for money instead of time (which you have to spend to explore all the content when a game is RNG-gated). Your dislike of one over the other is arbitrary and unreasonable, which is fine. But if you're going to ascribe moral value to things I'm not going to take you seriously because it's clear you haven't thought about it enough.

unionpivo 6y ago
But it's not gating content. You still go forward, whatever you get or don't get. It just means that most of your runs will be different. And will enable you to do different things (maybe you get staff of freezing and freeze the lake, or maybe levitating boots and walk on water .) Non of that gates you, just provides flavor, and different runs. Sure some things are better and some things are worse, but my fondest memories is getting a win with hilariously bad drops. In mobile games you cant proceed, until you buy crystals, or wait down the increasingly long timer, or simply can't kill a boss without a powerup from cash store.
mekkkkkk 6y ago
When it comes to compulsive gambling, the monetary risk is an integral part. People who suffer from it get their fix not by winning but by putting things on the line. This is why gambling is almost universally regulated, and yahtzee is not. It's mind poison for some people. Saying that "time" is a currency sounds good on paper, but in this case it doesn't work. Those whales that spend tens of thousands of dollars on loot boxes would not have spent an equal amount of time otherwise. It's predatory, and it's bad.