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Gender conditioning starts before birth ("should I paint the nursery walls pink or blue?") and slams the child the moment they;re squeezed out. Toddlers are not

by bregma 6y ago

Gender conditioning starts before birth ("should I paint the nursery walls pink or blue?") and slams the child the moment they;re squeezed out. Toddlers are not good or bad, they're "good boys" or "bad girls", reinforcing gender-role stereotypes from the earliest learning years. Don't assume that after 3 or 4 years of full-time operant conditioning that there is anything inherently organic about your gendered behaviour.

marshmallow_12 6y ago
-Toddlers are not good or bad, they're "good boys" or "bad girls" ...huh? Am i missing something? Is there a problem with telling children what gender they belong to?? Am i just being thick? Help me, anyone. Please
- andrewzah 6y ago
  No. They're saying that toddlers also get socially conditioned from birth. So the behaviors that they display are not 100% inherent. So how toddlers act isn't really a good (scientific) argument for nature vs nurture.
neonological 6y ago
I urge you to read the below: https://sites.psu.edu/evolutionofhumansexuality/2014/04/07/gender-identity-nature-vs-nurture/ https://sites.psu.edu/evolutionofhumansexuality/2014/04/07/g... TLDR: males castrated at birth and raised as females still had a male gender identity. There is no controversy behind this in science. Most of this controversy exists in gender politics. But the politics is so strong one of my repliers just assumed I didn’t do any research when the opposite is true. Research indicates gender identity is biological if you don’t know this you didn’t do the research. You can still choose to hold a different conclusion then the entire scientific community... that is your right. Now I’m not here to start a debate. I couldn’t resist replying to you but for the sake of not starting an off topic gender flame war and violating HN rules I’m not going to respond. Just read the evidence and take what you will from it is just information to add to your existing knowledge.
- filleduchaos 6y ago
  I know you said you're not going to reply, but I find it rather interesting indeed that your response to an article about gender (role) conditioning is an article about gender identity, as though "wears blue" or "plays games" are hardcoded global constants in the human masculine identity.
  - neonological 6y ago
    Ok one more response. A Gender Identity by definition is more than just a verbal issue where the person cares only about getting identified as the word "He" or "She." When you identify with a gender you identify with certain "roles" and "conditioning" associated with a gender. See definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity The two phrases "role" and "identity" are similar enough that within this context I can use the terms interchangeably. Also please don't go like "I find it ironic that you..." or "I find it interesting that you..." or "I find it fascinating that you still believe..." or any of that kind of language like that. It's condescending and insulting and not to mention manipulative. If you truly are open minded you'd talk to someone who shares a different opinion than you as an equal rather than refer to them as if you were observing some "fascinating" animal with "interesting" behavior that lives in a zoo. That's it no more replies. Thread ends here. 100% I swear. Don't ban me, Dang.

by bregma 6y ago

marshmallow_12 6y ago

-Toddlers are not good or bad, they're "good boys" or "bad girls" ...huh? Am i missing something? Is there a problem with telling children what gender they belong to?? Am i just being thick? Help me, anyone. Please

andrewzah 6y ago
No. They're saying that toddlers also get socially conditioned from birth. So the behaviors that they display are not 100% inherent. So how toddlers act isn't really a good (scientific) argument for nature vs nurture.

neonological 6y ago

I urge you to read the below: https://sites.psu.edu/evolutionofhumansexuality/2014/04/07/gender-identity-nature-vs-nurture/ https://sites.psu.edu/evolutionofhumansexuality/2014/04/07/g... TLDR: males castrated at birth and raised as females still had a male gender identity. There is no controversy behind this in science. Most of this controversy exists in gender politics. But the politics is so strong one of my repliers just assumed I didn’t do any research when the opposite is true. Research indicates gender identity is biological if you don’t know this you didn’t do the research. You can still choose to hold a different conclusion then the entire scientific community... that is your right. Now I’m not here to start a debate. I couldn’t resist replying to you but for the sake of not starting an off topic gender flame war and violating HN rules I’m not going to respond. Just read the evidence and take what you will from it is just information to add to your existing knowledge.

filleduchaos 6y ago
I know you said you're not going to reply, but I find it rather interesting indeed that your response to an article about gender (role) conditioning is an article about gender identity, as though "wears blue" or "plays games" are hardcoded global constants in the human masculine identity.
- neonological 6y ago
  Ok one more response. A Gender Identity by definition is more than just a verbal issue where the person cares only about getting identified as the word "He" or "She." When you identify with a gender you identify with certain "roles" and "conditioning" associated with a gender. See definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity The two phrases "role" and "identity" are similar enough that within this context I can use the terms interchangeably. Also please don't go like "I find it ironic that you..." or "I find it interesting that you..." or "I find it fascinating that you still believe..." or any of that kind of language like that. It's condescending and insulting and not to mention manipulative. If you truly are open minded you'd talk to someone who shares a different opinion than you as an equal rather than refer to them as if you were observing some "fascinating" animal with "interesting" behavior that lives in a zoo. That's it no more replies. Thread ends here. 100% I swear. Don't ban me, Dang.