> The measure of complexity of a system isn't the ergonomics of the tooling, it's the time/effort for a newbie to achieve competence, eh? Honestly it takes a v

> The measure of complexity of a system isn't the ergonomics of the tooling, it's the time/effort for a newbie to achieve competence, eh? Honestly it takes a very very long time to become competent in C. I do C for my day job (or rather did until recently) and I still don't call myself competent in the language. There are so many intricacies that can bite you and you're constantly learning it. I used to love C, now I hate it.