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Please ignore the trolls, ramblings, and especially the newly created accounts. The current ruling party in India has an IT cell that tries to shape opinions on

by haskal 6y ago

Please ignore the trolls, ramblings, and especially the newly created accounts. The current ruling party in India has an IT cell that tries to shape opinions online irrespective of the platform.

rishav_sharan 6y ago
I can see dang holding his head the moment he saw another India thread hit the HN front page. :D
xwolfi 6y ago
But isnt ignoring opinions of people who may have elected them in the first place a bit strange ? You can call them bot or paid influencers if you want, but they may double down next elections :D
- srean 6y ago
  They get only one vote assuming elections aren't gamed. No such restriction applies for number of accounts
  - higerordermap 6y ago
    You're underestimating how conservative people are in general. There is a fear of Islam propagation in general populace of India, and there are valid reasons for it. When you have uninformed general populace, it's easy to portray yourselves as protector of the culture and they will become fans of you, and defend every action of you. It doesn't matter you make their lives bad, corruption becomes rampant or economy goes shit. All that matters is creating a common enemy for all people. It has worked well for BJP, because the opposition party was full of nepotism and old tactics such as minority appeasement. They came late to this propaganda game, and as long as they are nepotistic and have this muslim party image they can't do shit. I don't think all people defending modi here are paid to do that. Let's be real, they are emotionally connected. And the problem cannot be solved by dismissing more than half of the population.
    - srean 6y ago
      I do not disagree with a single sentence in your comment, except what is implied but not stated in the last one. I am willing to be convinced with data that about half of the Indian population support the current events, but haven't encountered any such. Note, only around 60% voted. I will happily agree that at the time of elections around 50% of the 60% that voted was in favor of the BJP led coalition. A person with a conservative belief system and a IT cell operation coordinator are different things altogether. I have spotted the latter on HN. If you look at their comment stream you will see them claiming that they are hindu in one that they are muslim in another. Yes its possible they converted in the middle but the prior for that is low.
      - higerordermap 6y ago
        > I don't think __all people__ are from IT Cell. I stand by this. Some of them seem to be seriously emotionally connected.
        srean 6y ago
        I know. Not quite sure why you have latched on to it. I don't think there is any disagreement there
    - thunderbong 6y ago
      I agree with most of your points. However, I'm interested in knowing - what are the valid reasons for Islam propagation in India?
      - higerordermap 6y ago
        Half of them are true. The rest is exaggerated. Both sides hold extreme opinions about this matter. To be clear I don't hate muslims / christians but the expansionist attitude of few religions. I believe Savarkar's Hindu Atheist ideology, for all his faults, is the way forward for India. The problem as seen by many right-leaning people is that girls of other faiths (Hindu/Christian) date with low-status-but-high-pretention Muslims, and marry them or if there's opposition by family, elope with them. They also generally get converted into Islam. But the opposite happening (Muslim/Christian getting converted to Hinduism, especially) is very rare in comparison. Also, (non-urban or previous generation mostly) Muslims have multiple wives and have many more children than others. There are anecdotes these women are pressured to have more children by those Muslim families, I don't know how pervasive that is. We can't disagree Islam has some extremist attitudes. (Sadly Hindu leaders also calling their followers to have more children, this doesn't solve the problem) Due to minority appeasement politics played in last 70 years by Indian National Congress, Muslims also enjoy some more privilege than Hindu counterparts. This despite most of them being ruler/trader class in past (so unlike Scheduled castes). Now the game is majority appeasement and Congress has not caught up. Thus BJP is only player in the town. A COVID19 superspreader event was an Islam religious event which also villain-ized them more in the eyes of majority. Lastly, there are always communal fights in many parts of India and each side sees the other as enemies that must be extinguished. (There are statistically exceptional states like Kerala, but again Kerala is very educated state). Doesn't help some of the practices of Muslim citizens irritate everyone else, like high sounds in mosques and "atther" or whatever that's called smell in public transport. All this can be used to create a common enemy for majority of youth and boomers today. Modi is a lot like Trump, but also intelligent enough.
- drieddust 6y ago
  That's how I came to Modi's side. I didn't vote for him yet but now I will vote for him. Unilateral uninformed criticism with no understanding of realities on the ground have converted me from a critic to an admirer. Most of the West does not realise the appeasement, corruption, and tyranny of previous rule by a single family for over 70 years.
pfiwxruxta 6y ago
Congress recruiting over 500,000 'social media warriors' https://in.news.yahoo.com/congress-to-hire-5-lakh-social-media-warriors-090836495.html https://in.news.yahoo.com/congress-to-hire-5-lakh-social-med...

by haskal 6y ago

Please ignore the trolls, ramblings, and especially the newly created accounts. The current ruling party in India has an IT cell that tries to shape opinions online irrespective of the platform.

rishav_sharan 6y ago

I can see dang holding his head the moment he saw another India thread hit the HN front page. :D

xwolfi 6y ago

But isnt ignoring opinions of people who may have elected them in the first place a bit strange ? You can call them bot or paid influencers if you want, but they may double down next elections :D

srean 6y ago
They get only one vote assuming elections aren't gamed. No such restriction applies for number of accounts
- higerordermap 6y ago
  You're underestimating how conservative people are in general. There is a fear of Islam propagation in general populace of India, and there are valid reasons for it. When you have uninformed general populace, it's easy to portray yourselves as protector of the culture and they will become fans of you, and defend every action of you. It doesn't matter you make their lives bad, corruption becomes rampant or economy goes shit. All that matters is creating a common enemy for all people. It has worked well for BJP, because the opposition party was full of nepotism and old tactics such as minority appeasement. They came late to this propaganda game, and as long as they are nepotistic and have this muslim party image they can't do shit. I don't think all people defending modi here are paid to do that. Let's be real, they are emotionally connected. And the problem cannot be solved by dismissing more than half of the population.
  - srean 6y ago
    I do not disagree with a single sentence in your comment, except what is implied but not stated in the last one. I am willing to be convinced with data that about half of the Indian population support the current events, but haven't encountered any such. Note, only around 60% voted. I will happily agree that at the time of elections around 50% of the 60% that voted was in favor of the BJP led coalition. A person with a conservative belief system and a IT cell operation coordinator are different things altogether. I have spotted the latter on HN. If you look at their comment stream you will see them claiming that they are hindu in one that they are muslim in another. Yes its possible they converted in the middle but the prior for that is low.
    - higerordermap 6y ago
      > I don't think __all people__ are from IT Cell. I stand by this. Some of them seem to be seriously emotionally connected.
      - srean 6y ago
        I know. Not quite sure why you have latched on to it. I don't think there is any disagreement there
  - thunderbong 6y ago
    I agree with most of your points. However, I'm interested in knowing - what are the valid reasons for Islam propagation in India?
    - higerordermap 6y ago
      Half of them are true. The rest is exaggerated. Both sides hold extreme opinions about this matter. To be clear I don't hate muslims / christians but the expansionist attitude of few religions. I believe Savarkar's Hindu Atheist ideology, for all his faults, is the way forward for India. The problem as seen by many right-leaning people is that girls of other faiths (Hindu/Christian) date with low-status-but-high-pretention Muslims, and marry them or if there's opposition by family, elope with them. They also generally get converted into Islam. But the opposite happening (Muslim/Christian getting converted to Hinduism, especially) is very rare in comparison. Also, (non-urban or previous generation mostly) Muslims have multiple wives and have many more children than others. There are anecdotes these women are pressured to have more children by those Muslim families, I don't know how pervasive that is. We can't disagree Islam has some extremist attitudes. (Sadly Hindu leaders also calling their followers to have more children, this doesn't solve the problem) Due to minority appeasement politics played in last 70 years by Indian National Congress, Muslims also enjoy some more privilege than Hindu counterparts. This despite most of them being ruler/trader class in past (so unlike Scheduled castes). Now the game is majority appeasement and Congress has not caught up. Thus BJP is only player in the town. A COVID19 superspreader event was an Islam religious event which also villain-ized them more in the eyes of majority. Lastly, there are always communal fights in many parts of India and each side sees the other as enemies that must be extinguished. (There are statistically exceptional states like Kerala, but again Kerala is very educated state). Doesn't help some of the practices of Muslim citizens irritate everyone else, like high sounds in mosques and "atther" or whatever that's called smell in public transport. All this can be used to create a common enemy for majority of youth and boomers today. Modi is a lot like Trump, but also intelligent enough.
drieddust 6y ago
That's how I came to Modi's side. I didn't vote for him yet but now I will vote for him. Unilateral uninformed criticism with no understanding of realities on the ground have converted me from a critic to an admirer. Most of the West does not realise the appeasement, corruption, and tyranny of previous rule by a single family for over 70 years.

pfiwxruxta 6y ago

Congress recruiting over 500,000 'social media warriors' https://in.news.yahoo.com/congress-to-hire-5-lakh-social-media-warriors-090836495.html https://in.news.yahoo.com/congress-to-hire-5-lakh-social-med...