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Ridiculous nonsense to couch this as racist, and the knee jerk censorship of these institutions is encouraging the nutters to shutdown more speech they don't ag

Ridiculous nonsense to couch this as racist, and the knee jerk censorship of these institutions is encouraging the nutters to shutdown more speech they don't agree with.

db48x 6y ago
The complainers didn't care whether he was right or wrong, just whether it was rightthink or wrongthink.
- eesmith 6y ago
  I watched the response video at https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbclid=IwAR2-2LbEWfwfEWJij7j3Uhvt1WYHgU2IcCbXBb4vDy0WqaKkqXvvGgTxg3A https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbcli... . It was all about cases where he was wrong, with citations and links.
  - db48x 6y ago
    Criticism is one thing, but once you start calling someone a racist then you're no longer interested in changing their mind. It's not a reasoned argument, it's an emotional one. The only thing it can be used for is firing up a mob or destroying a career.
    - eesmith 6y ago
      So, what's your reasoned argument, and what was your goal in making such an incorrect blanket statement? The article says only that 'some students' called him racist. How do you infer that that means the large majority of those who criticize him are doing so for groupthink reasons?
eesmith 6y ago
It is not currently censored. It has been moved to a new location. If you want to view the video, it's at https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbclid=IwAR2-2LbEWfwfEWJij7j3Uhvt1WYHgU2IcCbXBb4vDy0WqaKkqXvvGgTxg3A https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbcli... along with a rebuttal, and links to various supporting documents and commentary. My reading of the various criticisms show they mostly focus on the invalid arguments in the original video, and its framing. http://www.electrostani.com/2021/02/a-response-to-frank-gunters-myths-about.html http://www.electrostani.com/2021/02/a-response-to-frank-gunt... summarizes it nicely as: > I believe Professor Gunter’s YouTube video uses data misleadingly, though the real source of the visceral reaction many students have had to his arguments probably comes from his language and rhetoric. > If his first slide had said “U.S. Census Data Suggests Poverty Rates are Declining for Black Americans,” instead of “Poverty is Not a Matter of Race,” frankly, I doubt we would even be talking about this. So the first takeaway is: how you frame arguments and the language you use matters.

Ridiculous nonsense to couch this as racist, and the knee jerk censorship of these institutions is encouraging the nutters to shutdown more speech they don't agree with.

db48x 6y ago

The complainers didn't care whether he was right or wrong, just whether it was rightthink or wrongthink.

eesmith 6y ago
I watched the response video at https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbclid=IwAR2-2LbEWfwfEWJij7j3Uhvt1WYHgU2IcCbXBb4vDy0WqaKkqXvvGgTxg3A https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbcli... . It was all about cases where he was wrong, with citations and links.
- db48x 6y ago
  Criticism is one thing, but once you start calling someone a racist then you're no longer interested in changing their mind. It's not a reasoned argument, it's an emotional one. The only thing it can be used for is firing up a mob or destroying a career.
  - eesmith 6y ago
    So, what's your reasoned argument, and what was your goal in making such an incorrect blanket statement? The article says only that 'some students' called him racist. How do you infer that that means the large majority of those who criticize him are doing so for groupthink reasons?

eesmith 6y ago

It is not currently censored. It has been moved to a new location. If you want to view the video, it's at https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbclid=IwAR2-2LbEWfwfEWJij7j3Uhvt1WYHgU2IcCbXBb4vDy0WqaKkqXvvGgTxg3A https://business.lehigh.edu/news/understanding-poverty?fbcli... along with a rebuttal, and links to various supporting documents and commentary. My reading of the various criticisms show they mostly focus on the invalid arguments in the original video, and its framing. http://www.electrostani.com/2021/02/a-response-to-frank-gunters-myths-about.html http://www.electrostani.com/2021/02/a-response-to-frank-gunt... summarizes it nicely as: > I believe Professor Gunter’s YouTube video uses data misleadingly, though the real source of the visceral reaction many students have had to his arguments probably comes from his language and rhetoric. > If his first slide had said “U.S. Census Data Suggests Poverty Rates are Declining for Black Americans,” instead of “Poverty is Not a Matter of Race,” frankly, I doubt we would even be talking about this. So the first takeaway is: how you frame arguments and the language you use matters.