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There is an odd trend in pieces submitted about india that spawns new accounts in support of whatever it is the india government is doing. I'm in the west so p

There is an odd trend in pieces submitted about india that spawns new accounts in support of whatever it is the india government is doing. I'm in the west so probably better to updoot someone from india that has better insight. This is just my observation. If what mozilla is saying is true this is a very obvious power grab that only applies to law abiding people. Internet protocols don't care about laws, you can try to enforce origin IP's and ban E2E encryption but bad actors can use these regardless of the law. It's all simply math and basic network packets. Any software cryptographer or experienced programmer can tell you that. Meaning the intentions of this legislation cannot be honest, and therefore it's not for good. As for social media regulation - by creating special regulations you lock in the current market. For example the reason why you can't compete with youtube in western markets is because youtube has to have very advanced processing heavy algorithms for content detection because copyright infringement, illigal material, etc. But japan has all their own ecosystem of social media and video. The government also isn't somehow the good guys when trying to regulate big social media. If you give them the power to do that then they can also be the ones to shut down alternative social media with fines, police, and guns.

blackoil 6y ago
Welcome to the New India, where it is difficult to differentiate between trolls, fanatics and media and to some extent general public.
naruvimama 6y ago
Have you also not noticed that the vast majority are critical of the government. The problem with crying wolf is that, when the wolf does really emerge people would ignore your cries.
- sumedh 6y ago
  > The problem with crying wolf is that, India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world so people complaining is not exactly crying wolf.
2Gkashmiri 6y ago
Hi... glad you found that. I have personally faced the full brunt of Indian governments maniacal control over the internet. Since 5 August 2019 till February 2020 I had 0 internet. Then after that, only "whitelisted" websites of around 300. That number was gradually increased. High speed mobile internet was only started like last month so from March 2020 till say February 2021, around 8 million people had to endure 2g internet speeds. Why? Because they dont want dissent be heard. If noone cries wolf, "assume the wolf didnt come ". For the last 2-3 years, WhatsApp news groups have been forced to get themselves "registered" with police. Aim being to stop flow of any news that does not work with the narrative of the government and punish those involved. I can show you people on twitter who after being humiliated and tortured by police for "instigating anti national sentiments" aka criticising the govt. I can share posts by journalists who have been harrassed and tortured because of their anti govt news just because they wrote ground reports. Look up last years Pulitzer prize winning photo. That was from this place, a hooded guy, in the air with a stone in his hand in front of a police truck, David vs Goliath in real life. I have not seen anything more raw in a long time. Read about it how it was literally "smuggled out" because the govt does not want its crimes to be known. Why am I boring you with these details? Well if I am forced to "verify" my identity everywhere, this means the govt has immediate access to this handle and my physical body because my phone is actively pinging my location. This means I can write a keyword the govt finds problematic and I will be picked up. This is not even an issue on WhatsApp or telegram or signal because your mobile number is the unique key and it works on that and I personally know people who have been picked up for sharing anti govt stuff on WhatsApp. My hand is being forced to set up private invite only network of activitypub compatible services because then I will be sort of in control but even then its a problem because Indian ISPs like Jio have been using DPI for a long time to filter and control people but I have to try to stay alive
- baybal2 6y ago
  Getting SIM cards for cash in India. Been in the situation once when I was transiting through India. Getting SIM card in India as a non-resident is a huge pain Back then, there were always people hanging around airports selling SIM cards for cash. Wholesale, data-only M2M cards are also said to be quite easy to get, with many resellers.
saimiam 6y ago
The most charitable thing you can say about this power grab is that we can attribute it to stupidity, not malice.

blackoil 6y ago

Welcome to the New India, where it is difficult to differentiate between trolls, fanatics and media and to some extent general public.

naruvimama 6y ago

Have you also not noticed that the vast majority are critical of the government. The problem with crying wolf is that, when the wolf does really emerge people would ignore your cries.

sumedh 6y ago
> The problem with crying wolf is that, India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world so people complaining is not exactly crying wolf.

2Gkashmiri 6y ago

Hi... glad you found that. I have personally faced the full brunt of Indian governments maniacal control over the internet. Since 5 August 2019 till February 2020 I had 0 internet. Then after that, only "whitelisted" websites of around 300. That number was gradually increased. High speed mobile internet was only started like last month so from March 2020 till say February 2021, around 8 million people had to endure 2g internet speeds. Why? Because they dont want dissent be heard. If noone cries wolf, "assume the wolf didnt come ". For the last 2-3 years, WhatsApp news groups have been forced to get themselves "registered" with police. Aim being to stop flow of any news that does not work with the narrative of the government and punish those involved. I can show you people on twitter who after being humiliated and tortured by police for "instigating anti national sentiments" aka criticising the govt. I can share posts by journalists who have been harrassed and tortured because of their anti govt news just because they wrote ground reports. Look up last years Pulitzer prize winning photo. That was from this place, a hooded guy, in the air with a stone in his hand in front of a police truck, David vs Goliath in real life. I have not seen anything more raw in a long time. Read about it how it was literally "smuggled out" because the govt does not want its crimes to be known. Why am I boring you with these details? Well if I am forced to "verify" my identity everywhere, this means the govt has immediate access to this handle and my physical body because my phone is actively pinging my location. This means I can write a keyword the govt finds problematic and I will be picked up. This is not even an issue on WhatsApp or telegram or signal because your mobile number is the unique key and it works on that and I personally know people who have been picked up for sharing anti govt stuff on WhatsApp. My hand is being forced to set up private invite only network of activitypub compatible services because then I will be sort of in control but even then its a problem because Indian ISPs like Jio have been using DPI for a long time to filter and control people but I have to try to stay alive

baybal2 6y ago
Getting SIM cards for cash in India. Been in the situation once when I was transiting through India. Getting SIM card in India as a non-resident is a huge pain Back then, there were always people hanging around airports selling SIM cards for cash. Wholesale, data-only M2M cards are also said to be quite easy to get, with many resellers.

saimiam 6y ago

The most charitable thing you can say about this power grab is that we can attribute it to stupidity, not malice.