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I bet it felt good to create an account for a website just so you could log in and say "how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the cap

by jb775 6y ago

I bet it felt good to create an account for a website just so you could log in and say "how are all the domestic terrorists Trump supporters doing after the capitol riot?". That's pretty much the online equivalent of peeling-out in your car and thinking it made you look awesome.

spamizbad 6y ago
True but it’s also free speech and as such should be permitted on a social network oriented around free speech. Unless trolling doesn’t count as free speech?
- gfosco 6y ago
  With that definition, would you think unlimited spam is also ok? Most likely you got reported by the community and picked up by the same sort of algorithm that exists on every other platform.
  - twooster 6y ago
    Was that comment spam, or just snark? But I guess bigotry is okay. Free speech platform so long as it doesn't step on any in-group toes.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - encryptluks2 6y ago
    Spam would indicate some type of repetitious behavior, or unwanted advertisement. A single snarky comment generally wouldn't be considered spam. Every other platform would be fine with the comment.
- kristopolous 6y ago
  They have their own definitions of lots of things. Free speech, as far as I can tell, to them, means they can make any claim they want, << have nobody challenge them >>, and not have to be consistent or responsible for any consequences. To them, oppression is someone challenging their claims, at all, ever. They believe it's a form of control and a violation of their core liberties. You violated that. I'm a member of DSA and volunteer for leftist anarchist groups like food not bombs. My account on gab is fine because I don't do those things. You might think debate is what gets to truth. They do not. They believe humans are fundamentally rational and if you let a thousand flowers bloom by "hearing the other side" or the "alternative facts" then the truth will rise among the multitude. In fact, they think being challenged is so oppressive and against american values that it's in the same category as totalitarianism. It's the same homo-economicus model that the free market people use. They want to be "free of coercive forces", like say, a rational counterargument so they can use their (alternative) facts and (faulty) logic to promote a "marketplace of ideas". I'm sure you've heard these phrases before. They aren't being coy, this is what they actually believe. That's why they have Alex Jones, Pizzagate, Qanon and facilitate quacks talking about free energy, time travel, mole children, etc. It's also why way out there alternative medicine about earth vibrations and celestial magnetism is part of the far right now. Remember those quack doctors and phony covid cures Trump talked about? It's also why Trump's or Marjorie Taylor Greene's behavior doesn't bother them. It's also why they think militant blood libel white nationalists are just people exercising liberties but someone telling them to use a different pronoun is A Huge Honking Problem. That's also why when you show them, say, that ping pong pizza has no basement they shrug their shoulders, almost as a challenge like "pshh, you're not going to stop me from my exercising my freedoms!" You see problems with their models? Good, me too. Dunno what to tell you. If you want to join their party you gotta play by their rules. They're actually pretty chill if you stay in these lanes.
  - encryptluks2 6y ago
    They flocked there claiming they were being censored by other social media networks saying it a bastion of free speech, yet they are censoring too for less than what many of them were banned from other platforms for. I agree with what you're saying, that as long as you kind of tow the line you're fine... but Twitter or a plethora of regular social media networks aren't going to censor me as I'm not providing nefarious health advice, threatening people, or telling minorities and people of a different sexual orientation that they are subhuman. People on Gab will say far worse, and as long as it aligns with their political beliefs it is fine with Gab. In fact, I think it aligns with the owner's beliefs based on his comments. I just wanted everyone to know it isn't a free speech platform.
    - kristopolous 6y ago
      Let me address one thing before I go on: > telling minorities and people of a different sexual orientation that they are subhuman. Remember what I said about about "facilitating speech"? The kinds of people who think in strict eugenicist hierarchies are welcome in the "let a thousand flowers bloom" model. If you get a chance to go to a rally or watch one on youtube, I recommend it, especially when they have open speech time. People get up there, say the wildest things in the world, like decoding bible passages to decipher stock tickers as an investment strategy, and they give them their time. So of course racist nonsense is welcome as well. They have values and principles in a comprehensible framework of mutual respect (again, a totally different kind) as long as you take the time to understand it. Now to the rest: Would you believe they have different definitions of "censor" as well as "politics"? Everything they say makes sense in their head. I promise. But what's in their head is pure madness. For instance, a woman I was listening to back in April, stay with me for all of it, said we should stay home for covid because she believed covid is fake and was invented by trump so he could do "the storm" and arrest the hidden pedophile network. She thought it was her patriotic duty to stay home during the fake virus so the secret plan could happen. Really... she ends up doing the right thing but the reasons are just padded-room level insane. So far removed from reality. It's a truly broken way of dealing with the world but they didn't ask for you to pull them out of cartoonland and they're actually happy there. So make gab a trip to the petting zoo and don't fight the animals.
encryptluks2 6y ago
Actually it would be more equivalent to showing up at a Blue Lives Matter event in a pig costume. There are content creators dedicated to similar content and it does make them look pretty awesome in my opinion.

by jb775 6y ago

spamizbad 6y ago

True but it’s also free speech and as such should be permitted on a social network oriented around free speech. Unless trolling doesn’t count as free speech?

gfosco 6y ago
With that definition, would you think unlimited spam is also ok? Most likely you got reported by the community and picked up by the same sort of algorithm that exists on every other platform.
- twooster 6y ago
  Was that comment spam, or just snark? But I guess bigotry is okay. Free speech platform so long as it doesn't step on any in-group toes.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- encryptluks2 6y ago
  Spam would indicate some type of repetitious behavior, or unwanted advertisement. A single snarky comment generally wouldn't be considered spam. Every other platform would be fine with the comment.
kristopolous 6y ago
They have their own definitions of lots of things. Free speech, as far as I can tell, to them, means they can make any claim they want, << have nobody challenge them >>, and not have to be consistent or responsible for any consequences. To them, oppression is someone challenging their claims, at all, ever. They believe it's a form of control and a violation of their core liberties. You violated that. I'm a member of DSA and volunteer for leftist anarchist groups like food not bombs. My account on gab is fine because I don't do those things. You might think debate is what gets to truth. They do not. They believe humans are fundamentally rational and if you let a thousand flowers bloom by "hearing the other side" or the "alternative facts" then the truth will rise among the multitude. In fact, they think being challenged is so oppressive and against american values that it's in the same category as totalitarianism. It's the same homo-economicus model that the free market people use. They want to be "free of coercive forces", like say, a rational counterargument so they can use their (alternative) facts and (faulty) logic to promote a "marketplace of ideas". I'm sure you've heard these phrases before. They aren't being coy, this is what they actually believe. That's why they have Alex Jones, Pizzagate, Qanon and facilitate quacks talking about free energy, time travel, mole children, etc. It's also why way out there alternative medicine about earth vibrations and celestial magnetism is part of the far right now. Remember those quack doctors and phony covid cures Trump talked about? It's also why Trump's or Marjorie Taylor Greene's behavior doesn't bother them. It's also why they think militant blood libel white nationalists are just people exercising liberties but someone telling them to use a different pronoun is A Huge Honking Problem. That's also why when you show them, say, that ping pong pizza has no basement they shrug their shoulders, almost as a challenge like "pshh, you're not going to stop me from my exercising my freedoms!" You see problems with their models? Good, me too. Dunno what to tell you. If you want to join their party you gotta play by their rules. They're actually pretty chill if you stay in these lanes.
- encryptluks2 6y ago
  They flocked there claiming they were being censored by other social media networks saying it a bastion of free speech, yet they are censoring too for less than what many of them were banned from other platforms for. I agree with what you're saying, that as long as you kind of tow the line you're fine... but Twitter or a plethora of regular social media networks aren't going to censor me as I'm not providing nefarious health advice, threatening people, or telling minorities and people of a different sexual orientation that they are subhuman. People on Gab will say far worse, and as long as it aligns with their political beliefs it is fine with Gab. In fact, I think it aligns with the owner's beliefs based on his comments. I just wanted everyone to know it isn't a free speech platform.
  - kristopolous 6y ago
    Let me address one thing before I go on: > telling minorities and people of a different sexual orientation that they are subhuman. Remember what I said about about "facilitating speech"? The kinds of people who think in strict eugenicist hierarchies are welcome in the "let a thousand flowers bloom" model. If you get a chance to go to a rally or watch one on youtube, I recommend it, especially when they have open speech time. People get up there, say the wildest things in the world, like decoding bible passages to decipher stock tickers as an investment strategy, and they give them their time. So of course racist nonsense is welcome as well. They have values and principles in a comprehensible framework of mutual respect (again, a totally different kind) as long as you take the time to understand it. Now to the rest: Would you believe they have different definitions of "censor" as well as "politics"? Everything they say makes sense in their head. I promise. But what's in their head is pure madness. For instance, a woman I was listening to back in April, stay with me for all of it, said we should stay home for covid because she believed covid is fake and was invented by trump so he could do "the storm" and arrest the hidden pedophile network. She thought it was her patriotic duty to stay home during the fake virus so the secret plan could happen. Really... she ends up doing the right thing but the reasons are just padded-room level insane. So far removed from reality. It's a truly broken way of dealing with the world but they didn't ask for you to pull them out of cartoonland and they're actually happy there. So make gab a trip to the petting zoo and don't fight the animals.

encryptluks2 6y ago

Actually it would be more equivalent to showing up at a Blue Lives Matter event in a pig costume. There are content creators dedicated to similar content and it does make them look pretty awesome in my opinion.