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And at the same time, widespread rejection of certain things people do and say is a critical part of changing popular ethics. I'm not saying I agree with every

And at the same time, widespread rejection of certain things people do and say is a critical part of changing popular ethics. I'm not saying I agree with every contemporary expression of wokeness. But we have made some progress in part because when someone said something "offensive" to their coworker or acuiantance the offended party told that person to stop. When people stop going along with things is when what is acceptable begins to change. Unfortunately, public shaming and ostricism seems to be a fundamental part of evolving social mortality.

PurpleFoxy 6y ago
No one would think twice if this document contained something truely offensive or hateful and the maintainers refused to remove it. But the fact is people have taken this so far to the point that it’s not a means to an end, it’s a hobby. And now we have harmless jokes being taken down.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Also, the piece that got taken down is a piece that essentially mocks morally bankrupt companies for abusing people. That's about as opposite for what the woke thing stands for (or at least is supposed to) as you can get.
  - DubiousPusher 6y ago
    Yeah, I'm not citing this circumstance as a quality case. But the OP connected this to the general wokeness narrative. And while I have very ambivalent feelings about the current rash of performative indignation, I think it's important to point out that such pearl clutching and scandal is not new and has functioned to change society in ways most people probably agree with (i.e. the decline of tacit sexual harassment and casual racism).
wott 6y ago
> But we have made some progress in part because when someone said something "offensive" to their coworker or acuiantance the offended party told that person to stop. It has been a while since last time it was the actual offended party who complained. Nowadays, people who complain are people who pretend to be offended in the name of other people who, in the mind of the first ones, could be offended.

PurpleFoxy 6y ago

No one would think twice if this document contained something truely offensive or hateful and the maintainers refused to remove it. But the fact is people have taken this so far to the point that it’s not a means to an end, it’s a hobby. And now we have harmless jokes being taken down.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
Also, the piece that got taken down is a piece that essentially mocks morally bankrupt companies for abusing people. That's about as opposite for what the woke thing stands for (or at least is supposed to) as you can get.
- DubiousPusher 6y ago
  Yeah, I'm not citing this circumstance as a quality case. But the OP connected this to the general wokeness narrative. And while I have very ambivalent feelings about the current rash of performative indignation, I think it's important to point out that such pearl clutching and scandal is not new and has functioned to change society in ways most people probably agree with (i.e. the decline of tacit sexual harassment and casual racism).

wott 6y ago

> But we have made some progress in part because when someone said something "offensive" to their coworker or acuiantance the offended party told that person to stop. It has been a while since last time it was the actual offended party who complained. Nowadays, people who complain are people who pretend to be offended in the name of other people who, in the mind of the first ones, could be offended.