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23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

by panny 6y ago

tptacek 6y ago
In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.
- panny 6y ago
  Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths caused by the shot until later.
  - tptacek 6y ago
    The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?
    - panny 6y ago
      >You can get the stats directly from the states You can also get stats directly from the CDC. Like these stats on the flu, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm 202 cases since September, for a disease that averages tens of thousands of deaths annually. >Are the leaders of these states all conspiring? IDK, where did the flu deaths go? Occam's razor.
hanche 6y ago
I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home. In a brief look at the BMJ paper I did not see that claim, and besides I think such a dramatic incident would have made a much bigger splash in the news.
- panny 6y ago
  >I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia-barrios-provoca-46-muertes-coronavirus-202102040941_noticia.html https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia... I can't find the article I read on the 23 in Norway weeks ago which stated the name of the home at this moment. Perhaps they were mistaken and retracted. I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has died after receiving the shot is not being honest. There are LOTS of cases of this happening.
  - hanche 6y ago
    > 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. Ouch. I would suspect some procedural error there, but who knows? Back to Norway. I searched a bit more for articles about the 23. No evidence they were concentrated like that. All of them were over 80, most over 90, all of them were extremely frail to begin with. In those circumstances, it is to be expected that many would die under any circumstance, and for sure, the side effects of the vaccine may have pushed some over the edge. As of 23 February, the number has risen to 102. Health authorities keep a close eye on these numbers, of course, but still see no reason for alarm. > I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has died after receiving the shot is not being honest. Not honest, or not thinking it through. In the discussion elsewhere in this thread, there seems to be some confusion due to the fact that someone is talking only about those enrolled in the trials, while others are talking about all vaccinated people.
    - reedjosh 6y ago
      What good does this make the vaccines? Aren't the vaccines only really desirable for the elderly? The risk factors for the disease are mainly age and underlying comorbidities, but if the same people aren't receiving it well? On top of the MRNA having no claims yet that it prevents transmission.
stickfigure 6y ago
The only reasonable and fair interpretation of TFA's statement is there have been no deaths from covid in the vaccinated population. It's obviously not proof against death, and it might even have a tiny inherent risk itself. Do you have contradictory information about covid hospitalizations/deaths in the vaccinated population?

23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

by panny 6y ago

23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

tptacek 6y ago

In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.

panny 6y ago
Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths caused by the shot until later.
- tptacek 6y ago
  The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?
  - panny 6y ago
    >You can get the stats directly from the states You can also get stats directly from the CDC. Like these stats on the flu, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm 202 cases since September, for a disease that averages tens of thousands of deaths annually. >Are the leaders of these states all conspiring? IDK, where did the flu deaths go? Occam's razor.

hanche 6y ago

I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home. In a brief look at the BMJ paper I did not see that claim, and besides I think such a dramatic incident would have made a much bigger splash in the news.

panny 6y ago
>I am pretty sure they were not all in one elderly home 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia-barrios-provoca-46-muertes-coronavirus-202102040941_noticia.html https://sevilla.abc.es/andalucia/cadiz/sevi-brote-residencia... I can't find the article I read on the 23 in Norway weeks ago which stated the name of the home at this moment. Perhaps they were mistaken and retracted. I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has died after receiving the shot is not being honest. There are LOTS of cases of this happening.
- hanche 6y ago
  > 46 residents of the Nuestra Señora del Rosario home in Spain died after receiving the shot. Ouch. I would suspect some procedural error there, but who knows? Back to Norway. I searched a bit more for articles about the 23. No evidence they were concentrated like that. All of them were over 80, most over 90, all of them were extremely frail to begin with. In those circumstances, it is to be expected that many would die under any circumstance, and for sure, the side effects of the vaccine may have pushed some over the edge. As of 23 February, the number has risen to 102. Health authorities keep a close eye on these numbers, of course, but still see no reason for alarm. > I think it is safe to say anyone who claims no one has died after receiving the shot is not being honest. Not honest, or not thinking it through. In the discussion elsewhere in this thread, there seems to be some confusion due to the fact that someone is talking only about those enrolled in the trials, while others are talking about all vaccinated people.
  - reedjosh 6y ago
    What good does this make the vaccines? Aren't the vaccines only really desirable for the elderly? The risk factors for the disease are mainly age and underlying comorbidities, but if the same people aren't receiving it well? On top of the MRNA having no claims yet that it prevents transmission.

stickfigure 6y ago

The only reasonable and fair interpretation of TFA's statement is there have been no deaths from covid in the vaccinated population. It's obviously not proof against death, and it might even have a tiny inherent risk itself. Do you have contradictory information about covid hospitalizations/deaths in the vaccinated population?