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That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not

That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?

TylerE 6y ago
Well, see this study from the UK. "Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%." 85% and 94% are not 100%. QED. Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not everyone receiving the vaccine. The claim made in the GP was vastly broader and unsupported.
- ngngngng 6y ago
  That's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.
  - TylerE 6y ago
    Yes it is? It’s specifically citing a change inhospitikization rate based on the vaccine received.
    - hcknwscommenter 6y ago
      FIRST DOSE! Of a two dose regimen. Note, no allowance for the 14 days to achieve even a full response to the first dose.
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panny 6y ago
That sentence is an outright lie. Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2] [1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 [2] https://archive.is/cGNNK https://archive.is/cGNNK
- oh_sigh 6y ago
  Tim and Sonia are not part of the trials being talked about
  - panny 6y ago
    >Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. The statement clearly says, since the date when trials began, there have been no deaths among all people who received the shot. This is obviously an untrue statement and misinformation.
    - oh_sigh 6y ago
      I'll just say that is a very strange reading of the sentence. There's really no where to go with this exchange if we can't even agree on that.
      - TylerE 6y ago
        None of which are qualifies given in the GP
- stickfigure 6y ago
  In the context of the article, the implication of that sentence was "there has not been a single death or hospitalization [from covid]". I thought that would also be clear from the context of this thread, but maybe not. Out of curiosity I googled those names. Tim Zook: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-death-in-california-man https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-de... (the slug tells it all) Sonia Acevedo: https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-worker-103452201.html https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-wo... (basically, nothing conclusive yet) We're talking about tens of millions (soon billions) of doses. I'm sure there will be some bad reactions, but there's definitely going to be a lot of simple coincidences too. I'm sure I don't need to repost the XKCD on correlation/causation here.
ekianjo 6y ago
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-qui-avaient-ete-vaccinees-en-france-sont-mortes-aucun-lien-etabli-avec-le-vaccin-9327289.php https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
- panny 6y ago
  23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
  - tptacek 6y ago
    In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.
    - panny 6y ago
      Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths caused by the shot until later.
      - tptacek 6y ago
        The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?

TylerE 6y ago

Well, see this study from the UK. "Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%." 85% and 94% are not 100%. QED. Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not everyone receiving the vaccine. The claim made in the GP was vastly broader and unsupported.

ngngngng 6y ago
That's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.
- TylerE 6y ago
  Yes it is? It’s specifically citing a change inhospitikization rate based on the vaccine received.
  - hcknwscommenter 6y ago
    FIRST DOSE! Of a two dose regimen. Note, no allowance for the 14 days to achieve even a full response to the first dose.

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panny 6y ago

That sentence is an outright lie. Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2] [1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 [2] https://archive.is/cGNNK https://archive.is/cGNNK

oh_sigh 6y ago
Tim and Sonia are not part of the trials being talked about
- panny 6y ago
  >Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. The statement clearly says, since the date when trials began, there have been no deaths among all people who received the shot. This is obviously an untrue statement and misinformation.
  - oh_sigh 6y ago
    I'll just say that is a very strange reading of the sentence. There's really no where to go with this exchange if we can't even agree on that.
    - TylerE 6y ago
      None of which are qualifies given in the GP
stickfigure 6y ago
In the context of the article, the implication of that sentence was "there has not been a single death or hospitalization [from covid]". I thought that would also be clear from the context of this thread, but maybe not. Out of curiosity I googled those names. Tim Zook: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-death-in-california-man https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-de... (the slug tells it all) Sonia Acevedo: https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-worker-103452201.html https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-wo... (basically, nothing conclusive yet) We're talking about tens of millions (soon billions) of doses. I'm sure there will be some bad reactions, but there's definitely going to be a lot of simple coincidences too. I'm sure I don't need to repost the XKCD on correlation/causation here.

ekianjo 6y ago

There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-qui-avaient-ete-vaccinees-en-france-sont-mortes-aucun-lien-etabli-avec-le-vaccin-9327289.php https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...

panny 6y ago
23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
- tptacek 6y ago
  In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.
  - panny 6y ago
    Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths caused by the shot until later.
    - tptacek 6y ago
      The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?