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Why You Should Take Any Vaccine
- ergwerg 6y agobranch covidians are fucking death cultists and need a bullet to the head
- melling 6y agoBecause no one who has taken any of the vaccines has been hospitalized or died from Coronavirus
- TylerE 6y agoThat is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.
- RobertRoberts 6y agoI think the best way to measure risk is having lots of information and data to base our decisions on. Unfortunately, this seems to be hard to find regarding vaccines in general, and worse for covid based vaccines.
- stickfigure 6y agoThat contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?
- TylerE 6y agoWell, see this study from the UK. "Preliminary results from a study in Scotland found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduced hospital admissions by up to 85% four weeks after the first dose, while the Oxford-AstraZeneca shot cut admissions by up to 94%." 85% and 94% are not 100%. QED. Also, read carefully the quote. It is talking about the (few thousand) people enrolled in the non-placebo arm of the trials, not everyone receiving the vaccine. The claim made in the GP was vastly broader and unsupported.
- ngngngng 6y agoThat's not referencing hospitalizations among those that have received the vaccine. That's talking about a total reduction in hospital admissions among the general population, many of which had yet to receive a vaccination.
- TylerE 6y agoYes it is? It’s specifically citing a change inhospitikization rate based on the vaccine received.
- hcknwscommenter 6y agoFIRST DOSE! Of a two dose regimen. Note, no allowance for the 14 days to achieve even a full response to the first dose.
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- panny 6y agoThat sentence is an outright lie. Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2] [1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 [2] https://archive.is/cGNNK https://archive.is/cGNNK
- oh_sigh 6y agoTim and Sonia are not part of the trials being talked about
- panny 6y ago>Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. The statement clearly says, since the date when trials began, there have been no deaths among all people who received the shot. This is obviously an untrue statement and misinformation.
- stickfigure 6y agoIn the context of the article, the implication of that sentence was "there has not been a single death or hospitalization [from covid]". I thought that would also be clear from the context of this thread, but maybe not. Out of curiosity I googled those names. Tim Zook: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-death-in-california-man https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-de... (the slug tells it all) Sonia Acevedo: https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-worker-103452201.html https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-wo... (basically, nothing conclusive yet) We're talking about tens of millions (soon billions) of doses. I'm sure there will be some bad reactions, but there's definitely going to be a lot of simple coincidences too. I'm sure I don't need to repost the XKCD on correlation/causation here.
- ekianjo 6y agoThere were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-qui-avaient-ete-vaccinees-en-france-sont-mortes-aucun-lien-etabli-avec-le-vaccin-9327289.php https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
- panny 6y ago23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
- tptacek 6y agoIn the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.
- panny 6y agoOut of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths caused by the shot until later.
- tptacek 6y agoThe media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?
- ggggtez 6y ago> trials There is a key word that you are missing. In the trials. Not the full release. The citation is in the article itself. Please look at the table which shows the number of people in each vaccine trial, and the number who were hospitalized/died. To save you the trouble, the numbers are "0" of those outcomes out of the 15k, 18.6k, 13k, 5.8k and 22k people in the trials (or around 0 out of 74,200 people total).
- TylerE 6y agoYes, the post I was replying to said that "no one who has taken any of the vaccines has been hospitalized or died from Coronavirus" full stop. That is what I am objecting to.
- mfgs 6y agoI think the parent comment was intended to be sarcastic.
- melling 6y agoThe article makes the claim. I simply repeated the claim as a tl;dr. I suppose I should have made that clear.
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- tjr 6y agohttps://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-officials-push-pregnant-women-covid-vaccine/ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-officials...
- medntech 6y agoJust posting a link without commentary makes it hard to know what point you're trying to make. The CDC related vaccine safety tracker shows no difference in baseline miscarriage rates so I don't think that link is very accurate. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-02/28-03-01/05-covid-Shimabukuro.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
- bufferout 6y ago"Children's Health Defense is an American 501c3 nonprofit advocacy organization,[1] known for its anti-vaccine activism. According to Seth Mnookin, much of the material put forth by the organization involves misinformation on vaccines and anti-vaccine propaganda.[2] It was founded and is chaired by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.[3] Established under the name World Mercury Project in 2016, it has been campaigning against various public health programs, such as vaccination and fluoridation of drinking water." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Health_Defense
- selimthegrim 6y agoYou know, if even the Catholic bishops aren't accusing it of this side effect fraught as they are with concern for child and fetal welfare I think GP needs to consider their position.
- cable2600 6y agoCatholic Bishops are concerned about the Johnston and Johnston vaccine because it was made with aborted fetal cells. So there is an ethic concern with Catholics on the Johnston and Johnston vaccine. Not the other vaccines though.
- tennak 6y agoThis article is pretty reasonable, but the title is pretty terrible. While vaccines are generally safe and massively pass the cost/benefit calculation, that doesn't make them inherently good in general. They are just generally good because our public and private systems for ensuring the are safe and effective are currently pretty good (and will hopefully continue to be).
- goldforever 6y agoLOL..."sponosred by by the vaccine/drug industry"
- juskrey 6y agoThere is an evidence that or immune system has either limited memory or bandwidth or both. See immune imprinting. So while taking once a ten year vaccine for not rapidly mutating pathogen makes it more robust, the case of regular intake for highly volatile virus is not so obvious. There were already warning cases with flu and some other diseases.
- lettergram 6y agoJust want to point out there is decent evidence that the COVID19 vaccine(s) (particularly the mRNA vaccines) have a much higher risk(s) than standard vaccines. https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=43655130979B00FF4EF888571BD1 https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=... It's self reported, but given the risk of COVID-19 is extremely low for anyone under 50: https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/c... Note: the fatality rate is likely significantly lower, due to many cases going untested. If you're under 50, influenza is a significantly higher fatality rate. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html Just wanted to point out the evidence related to the vaccines, aka flu vaccine is definitely a good idea (especially if older). COVID19 vaccines, would not recommend unless you are in your 70's.
- protomyth 6y agoI will say if you get the Moderna, that second shot is seriously painful. We had a pretty universal pain in the arm followed by chills followed by hot flashes then a day of feeling like you are walking through water. It was two days of crud. If you have a choice get Pfizer instead. The people taking that don't seem to suffer.
- dnautics 6y agoI'm all for anecdotes, but the side effect rate for moderna is known. And I know several people who have gotten it and no one has complained of side effects.
- protomyth 6y agoI'm just saying be prepared because they hit hard if it happens. As hanche said, staggering the shots is a good idea.
- yokaze 6y agoI've to counter your anecdata with mine. It's the same with Pfizer. Second shot can create adverse reactions. I know people who got flue-like symptoms (headache, muscular pain, increased temperature) for a day. Amongst doctors it is very common. Prior exposure to covid-19 is suspected to be a contributing factor. Still, it's better than the alternative: not being immunised and a possible patient/transmission vector.
- felipellrocha 6y agoI've heard mixed reviews from both vaccines. I suspect it's the underlying disease. You either get it or you barely feel it right? Anecdotal as fuck, but it seems to me it's the same with the vaccines, and if that's the case, if you had a bad reaction to the vaccine, you probably would've had a bad reaction if you had contracted the disease. Count yourself lucky.
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- redis_mlc 6y ago> Why You Should Take Any Vaccine Sinovac, the Chinese corona vaccine, is considered to be not worth administering by WHO, since it has less than 50% success rate, and Chinese laborers working on BRI overseas are getting sick with corona after receiving it. So that's one that you don't want to take, though it's being imported by the developing world (Indonesia for example.)
- 1996 6y agoI'm young and healthy, with less than 0.4% risks of dying, so I think I'll pass for the time being, and leave my dose to those who want it. I'm super happy to give it to them, as I want as many people vaccinated to protect me (herd immunity) without being vaccinated myself to avoid the rare risk of side effects that will be known better in a year or two from now. Yeah, I'm selfish. And no, I don't care about people possibly dying. They should get vaccinated! They should take any vaccine! Actually, I wish I could resell the dose the government wants to give me to someone from a country that doesn't have enough vaccine, like on ebay. Unfortunately, in my experience, it doesn't work: I tried to do that before during the H1N1 scare with the help of friends and the parcels didn't reach the buyers.
- xur17 6y agoJust to make sure I understand - you tried to resell the H1N1 vaccine?
- 1996 6y agoYes, back in 2009, I was a student and I thought "easy money!" :) It was in very high demand, and I could get some, so I figured, let the great material continuum provide to those who need it and have the money to pay for our efforts! Unfortunately the customs hassled the customers for paperwork (the health market is so overregulated!) who then hassled me. I was just in for a quick buck, and the vaccines were legit with all the barcodes and stuff, new in a manufacturer box, still sealed, so I didn't understand why! Still, I did a few rounds giving the required documentation each time, until I realized the customs agents were just finding excuses to block the parcels, and more likely to keep the content for themselves or their family instead of my clients who had paid for it, or maybe for reselling themselves, as one dose was reselling for over 400 in some markets! So I gave up and issued refunds, even if it was not my fault that the parcel didn't reach the customers. I should have lied about the content! Little did I know back then, I was young and naive and I thought the laws in the West meant something. Still, it taught me some good lessons: don't deal with physical goods whenever possible! Don't deal with stuff that's full of regulations! In a way, it helped define me, as the next schoolyear I got into crypto.
- nerdbaggy 6y agoI feel like if anybody wanted to apply critical thinking they were immediately called an anti vaxer. I think people should always question everything. And since the science and research is valid I think most people come to the conclusion that it’s fine.
- 1996 6y agoI've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.
- Sebguer 6y agoThis kind of quoting of a "scary sounding" statistic is why people get called anti-vaxx. You heard something, and are repeating it with the intent to cause people to worry, without providing any actual facts. I looked it up. 76% of "nursing home staff" in France are refusing the vaccine. I don't generally take my vaccination advice from people working in care homes, and the Reuters article implies that it is generally because these employees are skeptical of the government, not on any scientific basis: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-vaccines/on-the-covid-19-frontline-but-half-of-french-care-home-workers-dont-trust-vaccine-idUSL5N2KZ6I2 https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-va...
- jamespetercook 6y agoGreat sleuthing, thanks
- tim333 6y agoThis article has the 76% figure https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-health-workers-remain-sceptical-of-Covid-vaccine https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-health-wo... >Why the scepticism? >The nurse who spoke to FranceInfo said that the arguments her colleagues gave against the vaccine were typical of those being shared often online. >“It’s too fast, there is a lack of objectivity, the vaccine is hiding something, why have they still not found a vaccine against AIDS...” she said. Which seems more like general news story type arguments rather than anything scientific
- throw374u9 6y agoI am young person with severe alergies. Virus itself is less risky for me than Astro Zeneca vaccine. I also do not trust chinese vaccine and their manufacturing process. I would be happy to look into data and have a discusion about that. But I do not feel there is a transparency.
- 1996 6y ago> I also do not trust chinese vaccine and their manufacturing process. Maybe you could have phrased that in a way that's not so racist? EDIT: I sometimes try to explain that I expect such things to be posted with almost 100% certainty, and that it's not nice to read such things that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26322291 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26322291 so I must insist: you may not trust a company or manufacturing process, but not trusting anything at all from a given country is racism
- hkhjghg 6y agoRacism?! Seems as likely me that you're publicly berating a student of English for the fun of it. Heck, if GP is implying that they could get the Chinese vaccine, wouldn't that imply they are themselves Chinese?
- throw374u9 6y agoChinese vaccine with trip to UAE is righ now the only vaccine available to me. I need jab for travel, but it will take another 12 months to get it through public health system (EU).
- inimino 6y agoChina is a country, not only an ethnicity. Maybe you could have chosen to read "I don't trust a vaccine made in China" without reading racism into it that was never there?
- throw374u9 6y agoSorry, being racist towards CCP is the worst!
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- stickfigure 6y agoYou should take any vaccine because - unless you are young - the risk from vaccination is dwarfed by the risk of being infected by the virus. And make no mistake, you will eventually be exposed.
- haunter 6y agoI live in Hungary and they started using the russian and one chinese vaccine here that haven't been approved anywhere else in the EU. So No I won't take ANY, especially not a chinese one.
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- duckfang 6y agoMy wife received her first shot on December 23 (before Dr Fauci got his btw). From there, I've noticed: no extra wifi, no 5G, no extra appendages, and no cthlonic growth (oh r'lyeh now!). In all seriousness, she said the shots hurt more than the flu shots do - and the second one she felt like the early sign of getting sick but never did (immune response, but goes oh its nothing! cool!). Past that, she's been working with covid positive people in home health settings The MOMENT that I qualify for a covid vaccine, I'm taking it. I don't care which vaccine it is. When it's available, I'll gladly take. And for me, that's one step closer to coming back to normal lives, vacationing, and having fun in different parts of the world... And the biggest thing - putting the pandemic behind us.