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Correction: A police officer committed suicide. Pipe bombs were planted the night before. Stop maximising it.

by offby37years 6y ago

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Do you think the pipe bombs were completely unrelated? If not, why does it matter when they were planted?
denkmoon 6y ago
How exactly does pipe bombs being planted the night before decrease the perversity of the act?
- offby37years 6y ago
  It eliminates the possibility they were planted in reaction to Trump's remarks on the 6th. It was a seperate event.
  - denkmoon 6y ago
    and? I fail to see the relevance. Trump wasn't telling people to plant pipe bombs, at any stage, ever. It was organised and orchestrated solely by his supporters, in the same way that this 4th of March inauguration thing was invented and potentially to be orchestrated purely by his supporters. That doesn't make it any less wrong.
    - offby37years 6y ago
      Unless you have evidence contrary, we have no idea the ideological lean of whoever placed those bombs. They were planted at both the Democratic and Republican headquarters, remember? Associating the act with the events on the day that followed is unsubstantiated.
      - denkmoon 6y ago
        And not associating the act of placing pipe bombs with a riot that occurred the next day is naive. Planting bombs at both political party headquarters sure seems like the action of someone that is disgruntled with the entire system. Perhaps someone that would go on to riot against the peaceful transfer of power within that system.
        offby37years 6y ago
        > And not associating the act of placing pipe bombs with a riot that occurred the next day is naive. Exactly. We don't prosecute based on whims, but tangible evidence. You'd be wise to do the same.
        denkmoon 6y ago
        Good thing we're on HackerNews and not a court of law then. Cool air of superiority too. Besides, who placed the bomb, again, does not influence the heinousness of the act. Placing pipe bombs at political party headquarters is an atrocious thing to do, and relevant agencies in DC are right to be on edge about this kind of behaviour. That is not "maximising", it is a prudent course of action.
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  - Terretta 6y ago
    Why should the remarks on the 6th be relevant or considered separate? Seems clear the President could have stayed back in the White House that day, as he’d made enough remarks for weeks and months to get folks to show up loaded for bear. It’s not like they went shopping after the speech started... No idea why the remarks that day are seen as the thing as if in a vacuum.
belltaco 6y ago
Nah, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ithgUloNR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ithgUloNR8
adanto6840 6y ago
Hate these partisan threads, but.... I'm not saying you're wrong -- I just haven't read it. I don't read a lot of obviously left/right news, I try to divide my time equally, and to the best of my knowledge there was 1 deceased Capitol Police Officer. I don't know cause of death, I think I recall that they were investigating a singular individual -- but if you have a legitimate source, would love to read it.
- offby37years 6y ago
  The NYT wrongfully (perhaps wilfully) claimed a police officer was struck by a fire extinguisher while physically engaging with protesters. They then quietly retracted this claim, noting that investigators had found little evidence that he was struck by a fire extinguisher. The MSM has been gaslighting the American public by bombarding them with unsubstantiated propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick
  - Terretta 6y ago
    The police officer who died is now suspected by FBI to be linked to a particular assailant, but through bear spray not fire extinguisher: “The F.B.I. has pinpointed an assailant in its investigation into the death of Brian D. Sicknick, a Capitol Police officer who was injured while fending off the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol last month and later died, according to two law enforcement officials briefed on the inquiry.” “The F.B.I. opened a homicide investigation into Officer Sicknick’s death soon after the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Investigators initially struggled to determine what had happened as he fought assailants. They soon began to suspect his death was related to an irritant, like mace or bear spray, that he had inhaled during the riot. Both officers and rioters were armed with such irritants during the attack.” “In a significant breakthrough in the case, investigators have now pinpointed a person seen on video of the riot who attacked several officers with bear spray, including Officer Sicknick, according to the officials. And video evidence shows that the assailant discussed attacking officers with the bear spray beforehand, one of the officials said.” To be clear, FBI bases this on video. While I won’t call it gaslighting, it seems disingenuous to cite an out of date wikipedia quote or “correct” someone for writing: > ”a police officer died due to protestor actions” Which sounds like a perfect characterization of the current FBI thinking.
enkid 6y ago
First, don't ever minimize suicide. Second, I was talking about the officer who died after being spread by an unknown chemical. There was a second officer who died by suicide. Third, I don't think the fact the pipe bombs were planted the night before changes anything substantial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick
- offby37years 6y ago
  Did you even read the page you linked? > Brian David Sicknick (July 30, 1978 – January 7, 2021) was an American officer of the United States Capitol Police who died of an unknown cause a day after the 2021 storming of the Capitol. > The day after the storming, anonymous Capitol police officers told The New York Times that Sicknick sustained his injuries by being struck by a fire extinguisher while physically engaging with protesters. However, no corroborating evidence of this has been discovered, and medical examiners found no signs of blunt force trauma. The New York Times published a correction retracting the previous claim, noting that investigators have found little evidence that he was struck by a fire extinguisher.
  - enkid 6y ago
    Did you read it? They suspect he died of an irritant he was exposed to during the protest.
    - offby37years 6y ago
      They may "suspect" that, but just as we seen with the fire extinguisher claims, until proven with overwhelming evidence, it is not fact.

Correction: A police officer committed suicide. Pipe bombs were planted the night before. Stop maximising it.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago

Do you think the pipe bombs were completely unrelated? If not, why does it matter when they were planted?

denkmoon 6y ago

How exactly does pipe bombs being planted the night before decrease the perversity of the act?

offby37years 6y ago
It eliminates the possibility they were planted in reaction to Trump's remarks on the 6th. It was a seperate event.
- denkmoon 6y ago
  and? I fail to see the relevance. Trump wasn't telling people to plant pipe bombs, at any stage, ever. It was organised and orchestrated solely by his supporters, in the same way that this 4th of March inauguration thing was invented and potentially to be orchestrated purely by his supporters. That doesn't make it any less wrong.
  - offby37years 6y ago
    Unless you have evidence contrary, we have no idea the ideological lean of whoever placed those bombs. They were planted at both the Democratic and Republican headquarters, remember? Associating the act with the events on the day that followed is unsubstantiated.
    - denkmoon 6y ago
      And not associating the act of placing pipe bombs with a riot that occurred the next day is naive. Planting bombs at both political party headquarters sure seems like the action of someone that is disgruntled with the entire system. Perhaps someone that would go on to riot against the peaceful transfer of power within that system.
      - offby37years 6y ago
        > And not associating the act of placing pipe bombs with a riot that occurred the next day is naive. Exactly. We don't prosecute based on whims, but tangible evidence. You'd be wise to do the same.
        denkmoon 6y ago
        Good thing we're on HackerNews and not a court of law then. Cool air of superiority too. Besides, who placed the bomb, again, does not influence the heinousness of the act. Placing pipe bombs at political party headquarters is an atrocious thing to do, and relevant agencies in DC are right to be on edge about this kind of behaviour. That is not "maximising", it is a prudent course of action.
- deleted 6y ago
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- Terretta 6y ago
  Why should the remarks on the 6th be relevant or considered separate? Seems clear the President could have stayed back in the White House that day, as he’d made enough remarks for weeks and months to get folks to show up loaded for bear. It’s not like they went shopping after the speech started... No idea why the remarks that day are seen as the thing as if in a vacuum.

belltaco 6y ago

Nah, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ithgUloNR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ithgUloNR8

adanto6840 6y ago

Hate these partisan threads, but.... I'm not saying you're wrong -- I just haven't read it. I don't read a lot of obviously left/right news, I try to divide my time equally, and to the best of my knowledge there was 1 deceased Capitol Police Officer. I don't know cause of death, I think I recall that they were investigating a singular individual -- but if you have a legitimate source, would love to read it.

offby37years 6y ago
The NYT wrongfully (perhaps wilfully) claimed a police officer was struck by a fire extinguisher while physically engaging with protesters. They then quietly retracted this claim, noting that investigators had found little evidence that he was struck by a fire extinguisher. The MSM has been gaslighting the American public by bombarding them with unsubstantiated propaganda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick
- Terretta 6y ago
  The police officer who died is now suspected by FBI to be linked to a particular assailant, but through bear spray not fire extinguisher: “The F.B.I. has pinpointed an assailant in its investigation into the death of Brian D. Sicknick, a Capitol Police officer who was injured while fending off the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol last month and later died, according to two law enforcement officials briefed on the inquiry.” “The F.B.I. opened a homicide investigation into Officer Sicknick’s death soon after the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Investigators initially struggled to determine what had happened as he fought assailants. They soon began to suspect his death was related to an irritant, like mace or bear spray, that he had inhaled during the riot. Both officers and rioters were armed with such irritants during the attack.” “In a significant breakthrough in the case, investigators have now pinpointed a person seen on video of the riot who attacked several officers with bear spray, including Officer Sicknick, according to the officials. And video evidence shows that the assailant discussed attacking officers with the bear spray beforehand, one of the officials said.” To be clear, FBI bases this on video. While I won’t call it gaslighting, it seems disingenuous to cite an out of date wikipedia quote or “correct” someone for writing: > ”a police officer died due to protestor actions” Which sounds like a perfect characterization of the current FBI thinking.

enkid 6y ago

First, don't ever minimize suicide. Second, I was talking about the officer who died after being spread by an unknown chemical. There was a second officer who died by suicide. Third, I don't think the fact the pipe bombs were planted the night before changes anything substantial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sicknick

offby37years 6y ago
Did you even read the page you linked? > Brian David Sicknick (July 30, 1978 – January 7, 2021) was an American officer of the United States Capitol Police who died of an unknown cause a day after the 2021 storming of the Capitol. > The day after the storming, anonymous Capitol police officers told The New York Times that Sicknick sustained his injuries by being struck by a fire extinguisher while physically engaging with protesters. However, no corroborating evidence of this has been discovered, and medical examiners found no signs of blunt force trauma. The New York Times published a correction retracting the previous claim, noting that investigators have found little evidence that he was struck by a fire extinguisher.
- enkid 6y ago
  Did you read it? They suspect he died of an irritant he was exposed to during the protest.
  - offby37years 6y ago
    They may "suspect" that, but just as we seen with the fire extinguisher claims, until proven with overwhelming evidence, it is not fact.