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> the GOP We now have an opportunity to test your hypothesis- for at least two years there will be single party rule by the other party.

• anadem 6y ago
  Single party rule would be true only if the Senate was not encumbered by the filibuster.
  • leereeves 6y ago
    The majority party can remove the filibuster rule anytime it likes, as they have done for several special cases in recent years.
    • kn0where 6y ago
      The current majority party has just enough DINOs to prevent that from happening.
  • AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
    That might be a notion too drenched in game theory. The filibuster itself is not some sort of switch that gets flipped. The parties need to be careful how often they use it and for which reasons. It's just a part of the procedural possibilities and its effectiveness is not some sort of set-in-stone rule. In our particular case right now, the reason the Senate does not allow us single-party rule is due to the makeup of the senators themselves. It only takes a few to not vote down the party line to negate single-party rule. We've seen this a few times already since the start of the new administration.
    • Shaliber 6y ago
      This is incredibly naive of the current way the filibuster is employed. There is no care in how it's used because the line in the sand has gone from "did you vote on bill" to "did you block bill from being voted on" for attack ads. How can you say we're "careful" when it's tripled in usage. https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2019/12/05/478199/impact-filibuster-federal-policymaking/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/20... The current reason we care about a few senators is because we are looking at budget reconciliation where you only need 50 votes. Outside of that you need 60 votes or you get filibustered.
      • AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
        Your own article proves my very point: > Note that, in some cases, filibustered bills were eventually passed but with substantial concessions to the senators blocking the original bill. We have clearly seen over the past many decades an evolution in the kinds of bills we pass, and I think it's quite easy to observe that controversial bills are front-loaded specifically to combat this. The negotiations have changed to meet the needs of the new battlefield. Perhaps this is "naive," of me but the kinds of bills the Senate has passed recently have me surprised its use has only gone up 3x.
        • foerbert 6y ago
          I can find no way to read this comment generously. Your original point was that use of the fillibuster was judicious. The article goes on, at length, about exactly how the use of the fillibuster has only substantially increased over time. And then here you plucked out a single sentence from the article used as a good-faith caveat before presenting data to say the article "proved your point."
  • powersnail 6y ago
    I sometimes feel surreal that US Congress people get paid to professionally kill time.
    • Spivak 6y ago
      While true it's not too often that filibusterers actually happen. The threat of doing it is usually enough to kill a vote.
  • faitswulff 6y ago
    And Senate Majority Leader Joe Manchin has stated that he is unequivocally against removing the filibuster.
    • boulos 6y ago
      Chuck Schumer is the Senate Majority Leader.
      • faitswulff 6y ago
        That’s the joke
      • quickthrowman 6y ago
        Joe Manchin can thwart or shape any legislation that has only Democrat support, which is a large amount of de facto power to wield, hence the joke.
• benmw333 6y ago
  I love it when people still have faith in either party cleaning up the tax code (aka reducing the size of government). Ain't happening.
  • dragonwriter 6y ago
    > I love it when people still have faith in either party cleaning up the tax code (aka reducing the size of government). “Cleaning up the tax code” and “reducing the size of government" aren't really the same thing; the former could very easily serve the opposite purpose of the latter.
    • morlockabove 6y ago
      But it would put some people in the tax department out of work, so even if hypothetically a more efficient tax scheme would let you grow the government as a whole, the current people in the tax department have an incentive to not let that happen.
      • dragonwriter 6y ago
        > But it would put some people in the tax department out of work Or, not; alternatively, it would allow the IRS to be more responsive in its supportive activities and more effective in its enforcement activities. Cutting staff is a separate decision from streamlining the rules; the IRS hasn't had staffing expanded to keep workload constant when we weren't simplifying, there is no inherent reason it would ha r to cut staff and keep workload constant if we were simplifying.
• kn0where 6y ago
  Ah yes, the Democrats, who will do nothing because: - Many of them will virtue signal on Twitter but are uninterested in actually challenging oppressive power structures as they exist. - They have the slimmest of majorities, requiring either bipartisan support (lol) or the support of “moderate Democrats” whose positions are at best center-right. Republicans were in this position for the first two years of Trump, and they couldn’t get any signature legislative achievements but their tax bill passed. The same is likely to be true for Democrats this time around (a watered down stimulus bill passed through budget reconciliation). - The American system of government is a vetocracy that leads to resentment over government’s inability to govern/keep promises made when campaigning. - The complication of being beholden to corporate cash. Great ROI for Intuit and every other company that benefits from nothing substantially changing in America. Being beholden to corporate cash is the strongest form of bipartisanship in America.
  • HNfriend234 6y ago
    But reddit and NH told me that the democrats weren't like Trump, how can this be!?!?!
• vegetablepotpie 6y ago
  Would the time until October 2022 be a conclusive test? There are many priorities and limited amount of legislative time. It’s very possible that no laws are passed with respect to the IRS, not because of a lack of desire or unwillingness to change, but because of lack of time and competing issues.
• NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  It might look that way to you but it's not that way. Two Democrats in the Senate are against almost every progressive idea (IMHO). Even if all of the Democrats except for those two want something they have to convince a couple of Republicans to go their way. Those 2 sensare basically the most powerful people in the Senate.
  • quickthrowman 6y ago
    Who’s the other one, Synema?
    • NotSammyHagar 6y ago
      yes, Sen Sinema (I had to look up that tough spelling...)
  • frogpelt 6y ago
    That part of the Senate is working as it was designed.* Those two Senators are from more conservative states and they know if they don't toe the line their constituents will likely throw them out for GOP alternatives. *In fact, the Senate was originally appointed by each state's legislators and the House was the only Congress elected by popular vote.
• monkeywork 6y ago
  except the power the D's have in the senate is more about setting agenda since the vast majority of things they need to pass requires more than just a simple majority that they have.