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The page lists supposedly rational reasons for wanting to do this but I think it's really just a romantic idea with no rational justification. Introducing new
by slibhb 6y ago
The page lists supposedly rational reasons for wanting to do this but I think it's really just a romantic idea with no rational justification.
Introducing new species into ecosystems is always risky, whether or not they're extinct. No one knows what would happen if we start "resurrecting megafauna". No one can say if reintroducing Mammoths will have a positive, negative, or no affect at all on climate change. The idea that scientists can answer questions like that is wrong.
I'm all for conservation but this isn't that. This is "because it's there".
- osacial 6y agoThe page also lists that they are coordinating projects and bring together specialists, so umm... it sounds a lot like Mars One.
- aerovistae 6y agoWell, I mean, going to the moon was another "because it's there." I don't see anything wrong with trying to do incredible things just because they're incredible. We learn a lot along the way.
- hinkley 6y agoNot to mention, reintroducing a subarctic species while we're busy melting the permafrost is just mean.
- canadianfella 6y agoHow so?
- wavefunction 6y ago"Rational" has a very loose definition so "because it's cool" is also a rational reason.
- standardUser 6y agoMegafauna are going to have low birth rates and be easy to track and cull. So the risk seems fairly low compared to say insects or seeds or bacteria that can never be reigned in once they are out in the world.
- hinoki 6y agoNot always: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar%27s_hippos https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Escobar%27s_hippos Although I think that’s because people object to killing them. But that could also happen with megafauna.
- saalweachter 6y agoI wonder if, even without finding human cities or remains, you could infer our existence from the fossil record, from the layer where a boatload of plant and animal species went from being localized for millions of years to being all over the place all at once.
- totetsu 6y agoAnd the burnt plastic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastiglomerate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastiglomerate
- BurningFrog 6y agoYeah, those hippos could all be killed in a week by a few sharpshooters and a helicopter.
- cwp 6y agoWe did manage to wipe them out once.
- eloff 6y agoThat's debatable. There's good evidence for asteroid impact(s) at that time period, and hugely dramatic climate change - swings of over 20 C in the average temperature in the north. We don't know for sure.
- jaakl 6y agoAny references to this kind on swings happened ever, or in specific time?
- pgreenwood 6y agoAs a counterpoint, there are examples where the introduction of species has been spectacularly successful for ecosystems. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/25/yellowstone-wolf-project-25th-anniversary https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/25/yellowst...
- beaconstudios 6y agopersonally I think we should be placing any prehistoric megafauna into some kind of fenced-off island zoo, where they can be monitored by scientists and visited by tourists. I can't see anything going wrong with that approach.
- cwp 6y agoSigh. It was a work of fiction.
- beaconstudios 6y agooh good point, I also want my hoverboard, flying car and robot friend. they told me the future was going to be cool, so let's make it cool! (I was joking with the Jurassic Park thing, I genuinely really want to see them bring back extinct animals).
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- cwp 6y agoIt's the precautionary principle that's irrational. The status quo isn't inherently desirable. It's not true that "know one knows what would happen." We don't know everything that would happen, but we do know a lot. We also know what is happening now, with an important ecological niche unfilled. Humans have historically had enormous effects on the planet, in all sorts of dimensions. At this point there's no avoiding it, but we can be more thoughtful and deliberate in how we manage our environment.
- TrainedMonkey 6y agoIt's one of the first known species that humans caused the extinction off. Starting here seems fitting.
- rozab 6y agoHundreds of species became extinct in the Quaternary extinction event, and wooly mammoths were among the latest casualties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_extinction#Extinctions_by_biogeographic_realm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_extinction#Extincti... Why the mammoth and none of these? It seems like the dominant factors are convenience and culture, not that there's anything wrong with this.
- TrainedMonkey 6y agoConcur on convenience and culture, both are fairly important for the project to be successful.
- yarg 6y agoThey're giant slow breeding herbivores - if they're present a problem we'll have no more problem wiping them out than we are with the elephants. The primary concern should be the welfare of the beasts - they're ice-age animals, and are fundamentally incompatible with the climate as it is, let-alone the sweltering wasteland/dessert/tropics that we're turning the world into.