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Wouldn’t 1 be Microsoft?

femto113 6y ago
Amazon/AWS and Google are big in the identity space too, so I think it makes sense that there's only room one real "third party" option.
- tootie 6y ago
  Cognito and Firebase are bush league by comparison. They can do the basics well enough if you have the right integration engineers. Okta and Auth0 are light years ahead.
  - femto113 6y ago
    The difference is that Okta/Auth0 is never going to be the only piece of a solution. With AWS it's more than just Cognito, you have to consider IAM and SSO as part of the equation as well. And if you're a pure AWS shop the AWSness of Cognito (or its direct support in API Gateway, etc.) might make you prefer it to Okta or Auth0 regardless of feature parity. For Google the key asset is really Gmail/GSuite/Workspace, which is the primary identity provider for many, many organizations (and the sole identity provider for most of those). However kludgy Google's built in SAML stuff is there is a huge value in only needing to deal with one entity.
  - pirate787 6y ago
    Cognito is a nightmare and many things are broken. I lost 3 weeks in Feb. on a project trying to get it to work and just integrated Auth0 in 2 days.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  It might be better for these two to merge than for either (or both!) to be subsumed into those much larger firms. This is why FTC allowed Sirius and XM to merge: to keep them both out of the clutches of larger firms who would have seriously considered killing satellite radio altogether. [EDIT:] Of course, this merger may just be a ploy to drive up the price of a future merger with one of the larger firms...
tootie 6y ago
They're not really doing the same thing but you're probably correct that most customers are just relying on AD. I can easily imagine MS beefing up their identity offering to be more on par with Okta.
- trevorishere 6y ago
  We replaced Okta with Azure AD. AAD had better OIDC and SCIM support along with being _significantly_ less expensive -- plus we had to use it anyways due to M365/Azure, so Okta offered no value.
  - tootie 6y ago
    I assume that's for enterprise, not customers.
    - trevorishere 6y ago
      Correct, though we do use Azure B2C with 3rd parties, as well.

Amazon/AWS and Google are big in the identity space too, so I think it makes sense that there's only room one real "third party" option.

tootie 6y ago
Cognito and Firebase are bush league by comparison. They can do the basics well enough if you have the right integration engineers. Okta and Auth0 are light years ahead.
- femto113 6y ago
  The difference is that Okta/Auth0 is never going to be the only piece of a solution. With AWS it's more than just Cognito, you have to consider IAM and SSO as part of the equation as well. And if you're a pure AWS shop the AWSness of Cognito (or its direct support in API Gateway, etc.) might make you prefer it to Okta or Auth0 regardless of feature parity. For Google the key asset is really Gmail/GSuite/Workspace, which is the primary identity provider for many, many organizations (and the sole identity provider for most of those). However kludgy Google's built in SAML stuff is there is a huge value in only needing to deal with one entity.
- pirate787 6y ago
  Cognito is a nightmare and many things are broken. I lost 3 weeks in Feb. on a project trying to get it to work and just integrated Auth0 in 2 days.
jessaustin 6y ago
It might be better for these two to merge than for either (or both!) to be subsumed into those much larger firms. This is why FTC allowed Sirius and XM to merge: to keep them both out of the clutches of larger firms who would have seriously considered killing satellite radio altogether. [EDIT:] Of course, this merger may just be a ploy to drive up the price of a future merger with one of the larger firms...

tootie 6y ago

They're not really doing the same thing but you're probably correct that most customers are just relying on AD. I can easily imagine MS beefing up their identity offering to be more on par with Okta.

trevorishere 6y ago
We replaced Okta with Azure AD. AAD had better OIDC and SCIM support along with being _significantly_ less expensive -- plus we had to use it anyways due to M365/Azure, so Okta offered no value.
- tootie 6y ago
  I assume that's for enterprise, not customers.
  - trevorishere 6y ago
    Correct, though we do use Azure B2C with 3rd parties, as well.